Tresspassing Slob Hunters, Part II

[BCrouse]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

What county? This does not make a lot of sense with the office of Sheriff.

If you said Constable. It would make more sense....

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

I'm so surprised that would work. Often neighbors can't even agree and get along.

What about different mindsets (about hunting) or even snowmobiling, as in the snowmobile crowd vs cross country skiers, or the basic right to privacy on your own land.

Your right, it surprised the heck out of me when we moved up here. It's so far from the standard of South Texas, where I grew up, that I went and talked to someone at the police department. You can post your property but the rules to do so are fairly obtrusive IMO. Also, if you post yoy are not eligible for some property tax reduction programs.

We also have a snowmobile trail/highway going through the property. The trails are maintained by private clubs, each with a 'district', with some governmental oversight. Landowner liability protection is provided by the state. Landowner can bar use. All very strange to me at first.

All that being said, I have not had significant trespassing, hunter, or snowmobile problems.

 

[Dftodd]

Now, you can see where someone going from a state where it's an open use land policy, to one where you have to ask permission can run afoul of some folks unintentionally. It's just what your used too.

In my case we had 100 acres surrounded by international papers land, and national forest. Depending on which direction you were going, you could end up on any number of people's property with out realizing it. If you know the people in the area real well, you may have an idea where there property is, but unless it's marked prominently, you wouldn't know for sure. And most property boundaries weren't prominently marked.

The 20 years I lived there, we would have quite a few hunters cross the property. But only had a couple of times where someone was evicted from the property and issued a no trespassing order. Once, a guy peppered my dad and I with bird shot while we were logging a back lot. Game warden had a field day with that person, since they were hunting with out a liscense. Reckless discharge of a fire arm, ect....

Had some kids issued trespassing citations for tearing up the property with atv's. They wouldn't have been caught if they didn't do 50 mph past the house and one of them decided to do donuts in front of the house. Sheriff happened to be sitting at the bottom of our hills watching for speeders. The third was a hippy couple that decided to bath in the reflection pond 20 feet behind the house at 7:00 am. They had wandered 15 miles through the woods from a hippy festival on the other side of the mountain. They ended up spending some time sobering up in the local jail.

 

[turnkey4099]

A Sheriff is a Constitutional Officer, elected by the people. In my area of Virginia, Loudoun County (the richest county in America), the Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer and answers to no one, but the Constitution of the United States and Virginia. Where a police chief is appointed by a politician (and then acts according to that politicians wishes or can be replaced), a sheriff is democratically elected and does whatever they feel would best suit the citizens, his department, and lead to his re-election. That's how Sheriff Arpaio stayed in office so long. Nobody could remove him.

A deputy sheriff is appointed by the Sheriff and has no civil service protections in most cases. When a new Sheriff takes office, every employee could technically be fired, but that doesn't happen.

As for the weapons allowed or accessible by a Sheriff - he can have whatever HE deems necessary and proper; if that means a 50-cal, so be it.

Good explanation of what a Sheriff is. I dispatched for 10 years. One night we had a manhunt on for an excaped murderer, roadblocks, all hands on deck type thing. State Patrol called asking who authorized all the call outs of Stape Patrol troops. I told hime "The Sheriff" and patched him through. Nothing more heard.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I am still trying to remember the name of the town my friend lives in, so I can look up the Cnty. Never been there. Once almost back in the 90s. Got lost on the way, on account of signage obscured by trees. Got going the wrong way on I something. Could not get off very soon. Got annoyed and was speeding back trying to make up lost time. Got a ticket! Got pissed off and headed home!

That's OK. We probably would have gotten into some kind of trouble anyway.

 

[LD1]

We would all be screwed if deer had guns. Unless we regulate the crap out of it. What weapons they can use, seasons, time of day to hunt, etc etc.

Deer are naturally gifted for being elusive. They have far superior eyesight. Even with modern optics, we cannot compete.
Deer have way better hearing. Nothing we have can compare
Deer have way better sense of smell. Nothing we have can compete.
Deer are way faster. Sure we have vehicles and ATV's, but arent allowed to use them for hunting, other than going to and from, and harvesting after the kill.

Up here, long range rifles arent allowed. Only short-range straight walled rounds, shotgun slugs (no buckshot), or muzzle loaders. And thats only a few weeks a year those can be used. Other than that.....its bow and arrow. And only for a few months a year, and only during daylight. Deer can see at night.

IF we allowed deer to hunt humans, as funny as that sounds, we would be grossly out matched.

But hey, we have thumbs so I am not complaining.

 

[Thall303]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

Goofy!......You not him!!

 

[Industrial Toys]

Are your sure about all those things you say about deer?

I was working in my shop one night and heard that unmistakable crash of automobile damage. Drove out to the (gravel country) road and found some guy in a pick-up truck stopped. He was just putting along, and some deer smashed into the side of his truck, doing some substantial damage. No deer to be found!

 

[BigCountry1689]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

I have never heard of a Deputy or agency that condones the use of your private vehicle in the course of your duties. I know of some smaller municipal agencies that allow that because of budget restraints. We are constitutional officers with the authority to enforce constitutional felonies within the country, all felonies within our state, and anything from civil up to felony infractions within our county. We have the capability of stepping in on any investigation within our county that would be otherwise conducted by a city or other agency. The only other agencies above would be federal departments with regards to any federal violation. Generally speaking with most departments I have interacted with throughout the country over the years there are defined laws which constitute a deputy and how they must preform. In my state deputies wear green, a five point star, are cars are marked in a particular manner (excluding undercover), and of course there are a multitude of weapons we carry depending on the divisions we are apart of. Now these are of course generalities as there are some small departments that might preform out of the norm, most significant agencies have mirrored rules. While I could of course agree that we are not always the fastest, you must also understand that we are dispatched based on call severity. While at the time your incident may seem to be an emergency to you, we could be dealing with something more pressing. Not that I haven't caught a couple of my deputies sleeping from time to time

As for trespassing while hunting, while I completely understand the aggravation with trespassing and the disrespect that follows. Can you imagine if we arrested every hunter that was trespassing, then people would be screaming that we are wasting tax payer money on something frivolous. Most of the time when I am called to a trespassing call by the time I get there be it 5 min. or 30 min. the trespasser is gone. Because the land owner is screaming " I called the law, I called the Law." And of course they vacate and we arrive with nothing to do but stare at tire tracks.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

We would all be screwed if deer had guns. Unless we regulate the crap out of it. What weapons they can use, seasons, time of day to hunt, etc etc.

Then only the outlaw deer would have guns...

 

[Industrial Toys]

I am still racking my brain as to the town. Almost there. Whereas I realize that my friend often embellishes the facts, I have no doubt that he is in fact, some kind of "Sheriff". I don't think they call Mall Cops that.

Here, we have "Sheriffs" that again, I don't even know what they are, but they are the ones that lock up properties for foreclosure and such. Maybe, he's one of those.

 

[TripleR]

In the US, Sheriff most often refers to the County Sheriff which in most places is the chief law enforcement, but we have the City of St. Louis Sheriff whose duties are limited and separate from the St. Louis County Sheriff.

In some locations we have Parishes in lieu of counties and Commonwealths in lieu of states, so if you're not from here it can be confusing.

 

[Garandman]

has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

You say that like it's a bad thing!

 

[Industrial Toys]

Wish I could post some pics, but don't want to violate his privacy.

I don't even remember if it's selective fire, but I don't think so, and that's a VERY BAD THING!

 

[/pine]

TOTAL opposite here.

A friend in PA is a "Sheriff", whatever that means and drives his own car and carries his own weapon! He is one of those people that are just hoping for a violent confrontation. He does, or used to be involved with combat pistol competition and has a 50 cal belt fed mg. Probably carries it around in the trunk of his car, just in case!

 

[1965]

That was a great scene. They reenacted it on Myth Busters and it was totally Plausible.

 

[FTG-05]

Actually, it depends on the state your in and the laws of that state. Vermont and New Hampshire are both open states. Where your pretty much welcome to enjoy out door activities and pretty much go any where you please within Reason on some one else's property. The term being within reason, and if the land isn't posted. This includes, hunting, fishing, hiking, cross country skiing, ect....

It doesn't mean that if someone is acting like an a## you don't have a right to call the law on them, or ask the person to leave.

You don't activity hunt in someone's live stock pen, pasture with live stock in it, or next to the home or barn. The way those two states are, unless your property is posted, you are allowing folks to use your property for out door activities. It's pretty much ingrained in the culture up there and expected.

No it doesn't.

I replied to the fact that he trespassed because he *assumed* the laws in his new state were the same as his previous state (i.e. a state you are trying to discuss (i.e. where "trespassing" is legal).

There is simply no excuse to trespass while hunting in this day and age as dftodd described in his post #26 which I bolded.

 

[kloudbuster]

I believe with police there are some(very few) great, most are ok, and the rest are playing Pokemon or sleeping. I'm not sure about underplayed. They can retire with great benefits younger the most get to go on there first cruise. We need more game wardens

 

[Industrial Toys]

Notice the barrel isn't even glowing in the darkness of the trunk. I cry fowl! I have had mini 14 barrels you could light a cigarette off of with fewer rounds fired.

 

[MossRoad]

I heard testimony at the Massachusetts State House to the effect that no hardwood saplings have grown in the Western part of the state since 1999: the deer eat everything. They also spread Lyme disease ticks, which is a very nasty and debilitating disease.

Hence their nickname, "Long-legged rats."

We've got a state park here, Potato Creek SP, that at one point, there were so many deer that there was pretty much ZERO plants and trees from the ground up to about 6-7' high. You could see right through the forest. The deer ate everything. You'd see herds of 60-70 skinny deer running through the park. Its only a 6 square mile park, about 2 of which are a lake, and they estimated a couple thousand deer in there. About 10-15, maybe 20 years ago they started a deer thinning program in the state parks and that has really helped. Now you only see a few deer, like you should. The forest now has new trees and shrubs growing and its thick and lush. There were just too many of them.