Having a blast with our new M62

[rScotty]

Okay, so this is a shot in the dark but has anyone needed or wanted to check their high pressure or charge pressure relief valves? It really requires a special tool (pn#07916-50045) relief valve pressure tester. As with most mfg. special tool like this one are expensive, this one is $2011.00.

I'm hoping someone has already tackled this issue & come up with a cheaper solution.... Anyone???
Wormwood

Tacked what issue? I'm confused....why do you want to do this?

BTW, "Charge Pressure" is a term more often used with closed circuit hydraulics like JD's use. The M59 has constantly circulating open circuit type hydraulics; it doesn't store any pressure.

I'm also curious about that special tool. Do you have some more information on it? That's really not very expensive for a hydraulic test tool and I wonder if it is really what you need. Does it measure flow as well? Can it be used with the relief valve in the circuit? Or is it something that you use to initially check or set a relief valves while it is out of the tractor?

If you just want to know where your relief valves are popping .... and you want to do it yourself....., I would do as 4570Man says and simply put a gauge in the high pressure line to that control valve/relief valve. Cost would be just the cost of the valve and a few hydraulic fittings.

On older farm tractors I would sometimes permanently mount a pressure gauge directly to the pressure port on the loader control valve. That gave me an instant visual check on how the entire system was operating. That's convenient, but tractor hydraulics are so simple and reliable that it's rare to need to mess with them.
rScotty

 

[MutzFarm]

M62 with a 8 foot 3 point disc on it. Putting in a few winter oats and rye grass seed. Letting our son work the dirt.

 

[Jchonline]

Well I dont have a work shot...ground is frozen in my area... But I did remove the grapple and put the bucket on yesterday! Hey I know you guys are experts but that took me a bit to get down

 

[rScotty]

I don't know if the M62 SSQA bucket geometry is the same as the M59, but if so then changing implements can be frustrating at first. From the operator's seat the loader lift arms are just right to be wrong - making it hard to see clearly just how the SSQA fitting on the loader is lining up with the receptacle on the bucket - or whatever implement we're trying to mount. Getting a clear view of the situation required my standing up out of the seat and leaning a bit to one side while gently feathering the HST go pedal in low/low.

Going slow while standing like that helped a little, but what really helped was putting some vertical paint lines on the back of the bucket to help me line up the SSQA. Recommended....

Along the way, I learned that changing front implements was sure a lot easier if I was careful to choose a really level place to do the swap. And I learned to grease those SSQA pins every few years! I wouldn't have expected that a tiny bit of grease on those pins would make much difference, but it does on mine. A 4 foot length of SS thick wall tubing for use as a cheater bar for the SSQA lock handles does help if things are stuck, though I'm careful not to use the "cheater"s as a substitute for doing swaps on level ground.
rScotty - still mulling over just how I want to change the EGR valve...

 

[Jchonline]

Thanks rScotty, yes learned level ground the hard way yesterday. Also to leave some room behind in case you push it a tad. Also dont do hookups on your nice concrete garage floor. I was very careful and still managed a small scrape. These machines are powerful. Adding the vertical alignment paint next time I am up. Also got measurements to build a few implement dollys. Weighing this vs building an awning on the side of the garage and storing thwm there. It seems too dirty to keep all the implements in the garage. Awning with some car covers might be the ticket.

 

[JWR]

I don't know if the M62 SSQA bucket geometry is the same as the M59, but if so then changing implements can be frustrating at first. From the operator's seat the loader lift arms are just right to be wrong - making it hard to see clearly just how the SSQA fitting on the loader is lining up with the receptacle on the bucket - or whatever implement we're trying to mount. Getting a clear view of the situation required my standing up out of the seat and leaning a bit to one side while gently feathering the HST go pedal in low/low.

Going slow while standing like that helped a little, but what really helped was putting some vertical paint lines on the back of the bucket to help me line up the SSQA. Recommended....

Along the way, I learned that changing front implements was sure a lot easier if I was careful to choose a really level place to do the swap. And I learned to grease those SSQA pins every few years! I wouldn't have expected that a tiny bit of grease on those pins would make much difference, but it does on mine. A 4 foot length of SS thick wall tubing for use as a cheater bar for the SSQA lock handles does help if things are stuck, though I'm careful not to use the "cheater"s as a substitute for doing swaps on level ground.
rScotty - still mulling over just how I want to change the EGR valve...

Scotty your first para above is exactly right on for what I go through my MF2660 loader and the SSQA attachments. First year I had it (2011) I bent the crap outta the cross bar on the SSQA adapter on the loader because I picked up an 1100 lb bucket and did not know it was only hooked on one side. A couple hundred dollars later and wiser, like you, I stand up and peer around the side to get a view of the connection points.

 

[Jchonline]

Scotty your first para above is exactly right on for what I go through my MF2660 loader and the SSQA attachments. First year I had it (2011) I bent the crap outta the cross bar on the SSQA adapter on the loader because I picked up an 1100 lb bucket and did not know it was only hooked on one side. A couple hundred dollars later and wiser, like you, I stand up and peer around the side to get a view of the connection points.

Problem on the M62 is the seat safety. When I stand up, I get no power. As heavy as my machine is it won't budge before the engine dies out. Next mini project is to install a switch that I can press to disable the seat safety while attaching implements. Hoping I can have it blink when the safety switch is disengaged to remind me to flip it back on!

 

[rScotty]

Thanks rScotty, yes learned level ground the hard way yesterday. Also to leave some room behind in case you push it a tad. Also dont do hookups on your nice concrete garage floor. I was very careful and still managed a small scrape. These machines are powerful. Adding the vertical alignment paint next time I am up. Also got measurements to build a few implement dollys. Weighing this vs building an awning on the side of the garage and storing thwm there. It seems too dirty to keep all the implements in the garage. Awning with some car covers might be the ticket.

Guys, everyone does these things differently. Tractor-wise, my learning curve has been kind of embarassingly slow.

JWR, is yours the monster Massey with the syncro-shuttle tranny?
How in the heck do you inch that brute accurately enough to connect up an SSQA? I'd be pushing the bucket all over the landscape if I tried doing that with the power-shift transmission in the JD310.
Luckily the multi-range HST in the Kubota makes it about as easy as it's going to get... and I still mess up sometimes.

I tend to leave 5 or ten feet clear space behind my buckets the implement just so I can push a bit. Sometimes when I get a bit out of shape on the initial stab & it needs some space to get straightened out again. I've thought about putting down a nice flat sheet of heavy OSB to park them on, but never have. After all, the tractor itself makes dirt flat really nicely so I keep implements outside on a flatted dirt or gravel surface. I do cover some implements with a heavy green canvas tarp to keep the snow from building into ice... The heavy waxed cotton conforms well and lasts years.

Down here at only 7000 ft altitude (i.e. "the tropics"), sun on the tarp keeps things warm enough to find them again in the snow.
21oz Canvas Tarps is where I get mine.

On putting line-up stripes on the bucket back, they can be hard to see too. I got mine wrong to start. That learning curve again....
Consider experimenting using blue painter's tape instead of paint. (Home Depot) - the blue, not the green tape. It sticks well to a clean surface and will last years. Peels off easy and leaves the paint untouched. The tape gives you a chance to experiment with where you want the painted stripes and you need the tape anyway to make good-looking paint stripes.
rScotty

 

[JWR]

Scotty said: JWR, is yours the monster Massey with the syncro-shuttle tranny?
How in the heck do you inch that brute accurately enough to connect up an SSQA?

Not a problem. The big thing is having learned to avoid damage. I'm not sure about the 'monster' part but it is an 81 horse 5 ton tractor with what I normally have on it. Yes, it has the synchro-shuttle tranny. Nice clutch and gearshift. I can ease the brute up to the attachment just as well as any other tractor can be. Normally I "toe downward" the skid-steer compatibility plates and ease up to the attachment back until they just touch. Up out of the seat there the first time, I confirm where the plates are relative to the lips of the implement. Adjust tractor position until it is "close." Stop the tractor motion and use the loader controls from that point to raise and then engage the top of the plate with the implement lip. The only remaining question is "Did I catch both sides or only one?" which is mostly a left-right issue. It is at that point that I am up out of the seat a second time to check and see. If need be, I move the tractor slightly to realign and try again.

As for Jchonline's issue with the tractor seat sensor: That supposed "safety" gets bypassed permanently on day one if I own the machine. There are many times when I need to stand up for better visibility in tight situations out in the field and the last thing I want is some weight-on-seat sensor turning off the engine. That in itself is a totally unacceptable safety hazard for my work.

 

[rScotty]

Scotty said: JWR, is yours the monster Massey with the syncro-shuttle tranny?
How in the heck do you inch that brute accurately enough to connect up an SSQA?

Not a problem. The big thing is having learned to avoid damage. I'm not sure about the 'monster' part but it is an 81 horse 5 ton tractor with what I normally have on it. Yes, it has the synchro-shuttle tranny. Nice clutch and gearshift. I can ease the brute up to the attachment just as well as any other tractor can be. Normally I "toe downward" the skid-steer compatibility plates and ease up to the attachment back until they just touch. Up out of the seat there the first time, I confirm where the plates are relative to the lips of the implement. Adjust tractor position until it is "close." Stop the tractor motion and use the loader controls from that point to raise and then engage the top of the plate with the implement lip. The only remaining question is "Did I catch both sides or only one?" which is mostly a left-right issue. It is at that point that I am up out of the seat a second time to check and see. If need be, I move the tractor slightly to realign and try again.

As for Jchonline's issue with the tractor seat sensor: That supposed "safety" gets bypassed permanently on day one if I own the machine. There are many times when I need to stand up for better visibility in tight situations out in the field and the last thing I want is some weight-on-seat sensor turning off the engine. That in itself is a totally unacceptable safety hazard for my work.

JWR, that's just how I do it, too. Sometimes I get it stabbed just right the first time and can gingerly raise the implement up into the air, check that both sides of the SSQA upper lip are engaged, bounce it once with the loader arm hydraulics to seat those upper lips, and then rotate the lower part of the SSQA with the bucket control until it contacts the bucket.
Then it's down off the tractor to throw the manual levers which usually engage without the cheater pipe. But sometimes the pipe is helpful to disengage the SSQA after an implement it has been on for awhile.

That's right, your Massey has a clutch. I should have known. The M59 has a clutch too, although with the HST it doesn't really need a clutch. I suspect that the M62 gets along just fine without one. On the other hand, the JD310 with aggressive shuttle shift and NO CLUTCH is just about hopeless for doing any small delicate movements. It's an even larger machine, doesn't have a quick change front, and would probably be way past the strength limits for a SSQA anyway.

Yes, the "weight-on-seat" safety switch is a great example of how one can go so far with safety devices that it becomes self-defeating. But I'm a known risk-taker and hence a poor role-model for safety. In a dimly lit restaurant I'll occasionally use a knife and fork without face protection .... or may even go for a walk in the woods without a helmet.
rScotty