Compact Tractor with factory cab and backhoe

[finn1]

Sorry, but that's not the half of it. The bigger reason is a result of people have that have that way of thinking but either don't care or don't bother to figure out if they can afford it.

Pretty broad brush statement considering that you likely have no personal knowledge of anyone’s private financial situation, other than your own. I personally know of many people that have “toys” and can afford them without hurting their bank accounts.

One local fellow bought a Deere 60g excavator, followed a few weeks later by a 333G CTL, just to work on a plot of land his cabin is situated on. That’s pushing $200k of machinery, strictly for personal use. He’s a recently retired surgeon, but you would never know it by looking at him.

Of course I also know some that will have to live entirely on Social Security for income once retired from the workforce. It is all in how you educate yourself to be in a position to live the lifestyle you want. Education, hard work, along with good health and more than a little planning and good luck often leads you to success, and, eventually, rewards.

Just don’t wait till you are in a nursing home to reap the rewards of success.

 

[Jchonline]

Most responses are missing the request that the backhoe seat be enclosed in the cab. I dont think you can get a non-full sized TLB with this option from the factory. The M62 has an aftermarket option (Curtis or Larsen cant remember).
How often are you expecting to dig in frozen soil? How often do you dig when its raining out? Backhoes on tractors are an add on convenience option. This is why you really dont see optional cabs. It is more important to be able to quickly get the backhoe OFF to use the 3PT than it is to have it enclosed in a cab.

 

[looch]

Most responses are missing the request that the backhoe seat be enclosed in the cab. I dont think you can get a non-full sized TLB with this option from the factory. The M62 has an aftermarket option (Curtis or Larsen cant remember).
How often are you expecting to dig in frozen soil? How often do you dig when its raining out? Backhoes on tractors are an add on convenience option. This is why you really dont see optional cabs. It is more important to be able to quickly get the backhoe OFF to use the 3PT than it is to have it enclosed in a cab.

There are more than a couple of Kubota tractors that have gone the route of ditching the extra seat and incorporating a swivel model instead. It makes great sense for them - one seat is cheaper to manufacture than two seats. Then, get every client to pay for that swivel seat, whether or not they buy a backhoe. Same for the loader valve.

 

[Jchonline]

There are more than a couple of Kubota tractors that have gone the route of ditching the extra seat and incorporating a swivel model instead. It makes great sense for them - one seat is cheaper to manufacture than two seats. Then, get every client to pay for that swivel seat, whether or not they buy a backhoe. Same for the loader valve.

Please post an example of a factory Kubota tractor with a cab and swivel seat for the backhoe.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Please post an example of a factory Kubota tractor with a cab and swivel seat for the backhoe.

With the 4 post system on the Kubota TLB's, it looks like a cab option would be easy to do.
I think the only reason Kubota doesn't do it is lack of buyers who want it. A cab would be nice for blowing snow but for back hoe work, I dont think it would be practical on the small tractors.
I dont think I would like the backhoe sticking WAY OUT the back like on the 2650 series. I think it would be impossible to load on a trailer. My B26 hoe drags the ground a bit when loading on to my carhauler trailer and it is just a bit over knee high to the deck.
While it would work for the backhoe, I just cant see me getting off the hoe and back to the tractor to move each time you dig 6 feet. Sure sometimes you can just use the backhoe to lift the tractor and move it forward, but not always practical since you have to steer the front tires to keep on track with your ditching.
I have a cab on my bigger tractor and it is really hard to see what I am doing with the FEL and would be really hard to work a backhoe thru the cab glass due to reflections.

 

[finn1]

All of the cab tractors I am familiar with that have a flip seat are full sized, dedicated design, TLBs.

These small CUTs are too small, I suspect, to incorporate that feature, and the factory cabs are designed for general use, not dedicated for occasional backhoe use.

Hence the loader mounted seats, out in the elements.

My ck Kioti is too narrow to make a flip seat practical, in the order of, say a full sized JCB bTLB.

 

[mikester]

You seem to be looking for the worst machine for both worlds of backhoe and loader. If you plan on mostly backhoe work get a mini-ex. Buy a SCUT/CUT with a cab and a loader if you need loader and 3PH work. Unless you buy a TLB with a swivel seat you will absolutely hate climbing on and off the tractor every 3 feet while using the hoe.

A machine that does a little of everything does not do any particular job exceedingly well.

 

[Diggin It]

Most responses are missing the request that the backhoe seat be enclosed in the cab.

That's not really how I read it. He wants the cab for the forward functions like snowblowing. He even mentions taking the cab off in better weather for BH use.

 

[looch]

Please post an example of a factory Kubota tractor with a cab and swivel seat for the backhoe.

The BX23s has a dealer-installed cab option. My B2601 has a swivel seat and BH - no cab on mine, though Curtis makes one that is BH compatible.

 

[DK35vince]

You seem to be looking for the worst machine for both worlds of backhoe and loader. If you plan on mostly backhoe work get a mini-ex. Buy a SCUT/CUT with a cab and a loader if you need loader and 3PH work. Unless you buy a TLB with a swivel seat you will absolutely hate climbing on and off the tractor every 3 feet while using the hoe.

Can't you simply use the backhoe to push the tractor ahead a few feet when ditching and keep on digging ?
That's what I've always done.

 

[Jchonline]

That's not really how I read it. He wants the cab for the forward functions like snowblowing. He even mentions taking the cab off in better weather for BH use.

I went back and read it again, thought I saw something about trenching in bad weather but that wasn’t from the OP. Lots of options for CAB + backhoe, just no integrated swivel seat. B2650, Grand L series...many other brands would have similar offerings

 

[4570Man]

You seem to be looking for the worst machine for both worlds of backhoe and loader. If you plan on mostly backhoe work get a mini-ex. Buy a SCUT/CUT with a cab and a loader if you need loader and 3PH work. Unless you buy a TLB with a swivel seat you will absolutely hate climbing on and off the tractor every 3 feet while using the hoe.

A machine that does a little of everything does not do any particular job exceedingly well.

But a machine that does one job really good sucks for much else. I wish excavators with wheels was a more common option. I couldn’t loose the driving at 20 mph on my backhoe for creeping around at 2mph. A tracked skid loader is better than a tlb for loader work but I’d take a TLB over a wheeled skid any time. I made a trade with a guy to dig a few stumps for him and in return use his 5635 Gehl skid steer on a job and I left thinking it was a brilliant trade. I learned I’d never be satisfied with a wheeled skid for the small price of an hour or so of work. I hated the Gehl and ended up just doing most of the work in my backhoe.

 

[dnw64]

Pretty broad brush statement considering that you likely have no personal knowledge of anyone痴 private financial situation, other than your own. I personally know of many people that have 鍍oys and can afford them without hurting their bank accounts.

Somehow you totally missed my point.

I was defending exactly the same situation that you are holding as an example.

The original argument was that people doing what they want even if not fiscally conservative is why "people" are in such bad shape today.

My point was that the reason "people" are in trouble is because they act that way AND DON'T CARE IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT OR NOT.

The unwritten corollary is that there are some (many) people that CAN afford it.

 

[dnw64]

Can't you simply use the backhoe to push the tractor ahead a few feet when ditching and keep on digging ?
That's what I've always done.

Maybe if you're digging in sand.

Around here you have the loader holding the front tires off the ground (or at least taking the weight off) or you are dealing with a very unstable platform. Yes, with a NON-CAB unit you may be able to turn and lift the loader enough, but no way on my B3030HSDC, as the back window has to be closed during BH operation unless you are about 4' tall.

 

[DK35vince]

Maybe if you're digging in sand.

No sand here. Dirt and sand stone, occasional rock.
I rarely put the loader the way down (unless digging on a steep hill.). I keep it up slightly and the backhoe stabilizers, stabilize the machine.
Dig as far as I can, stuff the backhoe in the ground, push it ahead, dig some more. (I do have to run the steering wheel on accession while pushing forward to keep a straight line) That would be difficult with a cab.

 

[dnw64]

Maybe I'm just showing my inexperience, but I would not feel comfortable without the loader on the ground. I did learn from my late father-in-law, long time commercial operator, in sandy NJ ground.

And while I've never measured it, my BH80X (entry level small BH) the specs say I can dig 75" deep for 8' out. Again, probably showing my inexperience, but at the rate it takes me to dig 8' horizontal at 75" deep I'm ready for a break in the A/C cab...

 

[4570Man]

The loader being down helps a huge amount while trying to push with the boom but I’ve experienced very little difference with the loader up vs down while ditch digging.

 

[DK35vince]

The loader being down helps a huge amount while trying to push with the boom but I’ve experienced very little difference with the loader up vs down while ditch digging.

That's been my experience as well.

 

[nards444]

Somehow you totally missed my point.

I was defending exactly the same situation that you are holding as an example.

The original argument was that people doing what they want even if not fiscally conservative is why "people" are in such bad shape today.

My point was that the reason "people" are in trouble is because they act that way AND DON'T CARE IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT OR NOT.

The unwritten corollary is that there are some (many) people that CAN afford it.

Considering 75% of people going into retirement have less than 100k saved up you are probably right. But you'll usually find these forums whether it be cars, boats, tractors, is everybody has money or has a rich buddy etc. Which end of the day its nobodys business nor do I care or should anybody else. Reality is based off the percentages the picture painted by most people on these forums probably isnt reality

 

[Doyle670]

Thanks all for the valuable replies. On to my next question. Someone had mentioned removing the rear window of a factory cab to allow you to swivel seat and utilize backhoe. After looking at all brands I am leaning slightly towards the Mahindras, Max 25, 26XL or 1626. But I'd be curious to know if anyone has removed the rear window on any of these models. It seems like it would be possible. I had thought about calling the dealer, but because I tend to get good responses, thought I'd throw it out here on the forum.