Self driving cars will get their drivers killed

[MossRoad]

I've worn mine most of the time since 1981, when I was in a junkyard and saw what a person's shoulder can do to the heavy steel door of a '70s vintage pickup.

I have never supported the law mandating them.

I started wearing mine when in the course of about a month in '81 my sister and her husband got in a wreck in a Toyota Tercel. My sister had her seat belt on and got a nice 2" wide bruise across her chest. My brother in-law wasn't wearing his and he broke out the windshield with his head. A couple weeks later, I got distracted and rear-ended a mid 70's Chevy big boat car in an exact same year/model of Toyota Tercel. I was still in 1st gear, and my head hit the roof and windshield knocked me goofy. Saw stars. Creamed both front fenders, grill, hood, bumper and radiator (chevy was fine). After that, I've always worn one.

As for laws for seats belts, I wish there wasn't a law and everyone had common sense as well. However, they don't. And 1st responders have to scrape them off the pavement or pull them out of the trees. If they live, and don't have good insurance, they become dependent on tax dollars if they are permanently disabled. So for me, it's completely selfish, in that I don't want my tax dollars caring for someone that made a bad choice, but I don't want to throw them in the dumpster either.

 

[MossRoad]

Self driving cannot outdrive/out think an experienced driver. The maneuver I made was insane, illegal and not one a computer would make...but we're safe & sound because of it, and I could give other examples.

You're missing the point. If all the vehicles had automatic driving, NO humans would be able to make the bad choice in the first place. That bus never would have pulled out in front of you. We'd all get to where we are going, only a lot slower.

 

[fatjay]

You're missing the point. If all the vehicles had automatic driving, NO humans would be able to make the bad choice in the first place. That bus never would have pulled out in front of you. We'd all get to where we are going, only a lot slower.

And that's my point. If they go that route, eventually self driving will be mandated and you will no longer have an option to drive if you wish because htey will deem it unsafe.

 

[fatjay]

News flash... If you have a smart phone, the government knows what they need to if they actually deem the time worthy of looking you up

I can drive without my phone. I can't drive without my car.

 

[MossRoad]

Self driving cannot outdrive/out think an experienced driver. The maneuver I made was insane, illegal and not one a computer would make...but we're safe & sound because of it, and I could give other examples.

All the experience you want won't prevent things like this.

Auto driving cars would prevent it.

 

[MossRoad]

head on collision dash cam... look them up.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Moss...I enjoy your posts and replies but man...you gotta THINK!!! This is where YOU MISS THE POINT (no offense).
Ok...both the school bus AND my car are in self drive mode. At this point...we're talking about MAN MADE *****!!! (emphasis hopefully so you understand). Have you ever heard of anything man makes to fail? A brake master cylinder, throttle sticks, etc.????
In a PERFECT Disneyland ride world you are correct, but the world is far from perfect.
So the bus pulls up...right as I approach intersection the bus brakes fail, throttle sticks, etc. Now what?
Look...all I did for 43 years was troubleshoot and repair man made electronic equipment, repair because man made crap fails! Nothing is perfect and I saw it every day 43 years (still see it).
Now...your turn explain to me I'm full of it and how wrong I am...go ahead!

 

[turbo36]

News flash... If you have a smart phone, the government knows what they need to if they actually deem the time worthy of looking you up

I'm not sure this was meant for me? Where did I say the government couldn't track my smart phone? Tracking a smart phone and having the ability to control my movements are two different things.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

When all cars are self driving that's when we'll ride our horses...they have a brain and so do we.

 

[Fixastuff]

When all cars are self driving that's when we'll ride our horses...they have a brain and so do we.

And charging an EV makes a cross country drive take to long, try it on a horse. Lol.

 

[MossRoad]

Moss...I enjoy your posts and replies but man...you gotta THINK!!! This is where YOU MISS THE POINT (no offense).
Ok...both the school bus AND my car are in self drive mode. At this point...we're talking about MAN MADE *****!!! (emphasis hopefully so you understand). Have you ever heard of anything man makes to fail? A brake master cylinder, throttle sticks, etc.????
In a PERFECT Disneyland ride world you are correct, the world is far from perfect.
So the bus pulls up...right as I approach intersection the bus brakes fail, throttle sticks, etc. Now what?
Look...all I did for 43 years was troubleshoot and repair man made electronic equipment, repair because man made crap fails! Nothing is perfect and I saw it every day 43 years (still see it).
Now...your turn explain to me I'm full of it and how wrong I am...go ahead!

I'm not saying I want to give up driving. I'd hate it. But let's face facts.

I'm saying if ALL vehicles were self driving, there'd be a lot LESS death and injury on the roads. It's just a fact. People are more fallible than automation.

If that weren't true, we wouldn't need interlocks on punch presses or safety guards on table saws. There's a whole army of stubby handed folks out there that show that's not the case.

 

[scaredychicken]

my thought on self driving cars has always been ... just because you Can (build it), doesn't mean you Should. Why do self driving cars even have steering wheels ? That's just in my way when i'm trying to sleep.

However, I think that park assist and back up cameras have merit.

 

[MossRoad]

And charging an EV makes a cross country drive take to long, try it on a horse. Lol.

At least some horses are self-charging...

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I have no desire riding a horse cross country. I understand you're being facetious, all out needs are within 8 miles.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I'm not saying I want to give up driving. I'd hate it. But let's face facts.

I'm saying if ALL vehicles were self driving, there'd be a lot LESS death and injury on the roads. It's just a fact. People are more fallible than automation.

If that weren't true, we wouldn't need interlocks on punch presses or safety guards on table saws. There's a whole army of stubby handed folks out there that show that's not the case.

Man, I've got better things to do. You self driving proponents carry on and enjoy. I made my point.

 

[MossRoad]

We rented a VW a couple years ago that had adaptive cruise control, lane assist, and some other things. I really liked it.

I'd like to try a Cadillac with Super Cruise.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

At least some horses are self-charging...

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She's going to founder or colic. Needs to be worked and off pasture.

 

[/pine]

And that's my point. If they go that route, eventually self driving will be mandated and you will no longer have an option to drive if you wish because htey will deem it unsafe.

Won't happen in this century...!

 

[Jstpssng]

Moss...I enjoy your posts and replies but man...you gotta THINK!!! This is where YOU MISS THE POINT (no offense).
Ok...both the school bus AND my car are in self drive mode. At this point...we're talking about MAN MADE *****!!! (emphasis hopefully so you understand). Have you ever heard of anything man makes to fail? A brake master cylinder, throttle sticks, etc.????
In a PERFECT Disneyland ride world you are correct, but the world is far from perfect.
So the bus pulls up...right as I approach intersection the bus brakes fail, throttle sticks, etc. Now what?
Look...all I did for 43 years was troubleshoot and repair man made electronic equipment, repair because man made crap fails! Nothing is perfect and I saw it every day 43 years (still see it).
Now...your turn explain to me I'm full of it and how wrong I am...go ahead!

No matter what the subject is, there are always exceptions. I know of people who were in crashes where being thrown from the vehicle may have saved their lives. Yet more times than not the seat belt is a life saver.
Personally, I hate ABS and have done several hundred dollars worth of front end damage because the truck wouldn't stop on a gravel road when I told it to. I used to disable it, until I realized that if I ever did get into an accident I would be on the hook.
Ironically, what made me realize that was when I almost T-boned a guy in the driver's door. He looked right at me and pulled out;
had my ABS been working he would be dead. Yet that's just an exception. Most people prefer not to learn how to drive, so we need "Help" from technology.

 

[crashz]

Didn't Stallone star in a crappy movie (Time Cop or something) with self driving cars and it was illegal to drive yourself?

BTW - I wanted to share that I was passed on the highway this morning (I was in the middle lane doing about 70ish) by a Tesla, in which the drive was clearly on his laptop doing something entirely different. He wasn't going substantially faster than me and the windows were not tinted, so I could see that he was clearly responding to emails or something.