3500 truck needs CDL?

[Retiredguy2]

NOT FOR HIRE is displayed at times also - just means the owner/operator in not engaged in commercial enterprise; think weekend warrior race car drivers

Grey area here: Are those in your state (applies to all members) who drive commercially titled and/or plated vehicles required to pass over highway weigh stations when it is possible the single vehicle or combination vehicle may weigh over 26,001 pounds? I see a number of those in Michigan with stickers saying "Under 26,000 gross" but as for other states I do not know.

 

[coldsteelva]

Here in VA they are plated as 'TRUCK's with no reference to commercial or private use, but they must not exceed 26,001 pounds or CDL applies. What I do disagree with is that ANYTHING considered to be an RV is exempt even though they can be giant tractor units pulling giant fifth wheels.

 

[Soundguy]

Moot point. A 3500 isn't gonna have "regular" passenger plates on it in NY.

Sounds like florida. We would have to derate quite a bit to get it down to noncom plate.

 

[ultrarunner]

Sweet...

In California they include just about everything that can be as commercial subject to weight fees...

But having a commercial plate isn't enough to let you park in a commercial loading zone picking up or dropping off... brother got a ticket picking up a engine in his commercial F250 truck... he fought it and the Judge asked to see his commercial driver's license which he did not have.

At one time I would also see commercial plated on passenger cars especially station wagons used by salespeople... don't think anyone cares about that today...

None of the pharmacy and medical equipment reps that drive passenger cars and have product have commercial plates... and this was not always the case.

My little Suzuki Samurai says Truck on the title but no commercial plate...

 

[Industrial Toys]

That reminds me of when I had to drive this horrible stock Ford Areostar Company Van. It had a four banger with a stick. I think fourteen inch wheels. But it was good enough to pick up a thousand pound Ford 917 flail mower that I had bought. The dealer just slid it in there with an engine hoist, slick as can be. Other then that, I used to ferry around the Mennonites that built our barn. Those seemed to be the days when, if you could move it down the road, you were good to go.

 

[Rock knocker]

If it's commercially plated and is a combination vehicle (truck + trailer) and you are towing in excess of 10K lbs. then CDL

Key point is commercially plated.

Then you must not be familar with Ohio state law

 

[Retiredguy2]

Here in VA they are plated as 'TRUCK's with no reference to commercial or private use, but they must not exceed 26,001 pounds or CDL applies. What I do disagree with is that ANYTHING considered to be an RV is exempt even though they can be giant tractor units pulling giant fifth wheels.
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Perhaps it is because they are considered "personal use" rather than "commercial use"...?

 

[coldsteelva]

Perhaps it is because they are considered "personal use" rather than "commercial use"...?

That doesn't make it safe or a good idea. Just because some snot-nosed kid got a full driver's license should not mean that he should be able to operate a 50k-pound rig on the road with no further training.

 

[Retiredguy2]

That doesn't make it safe or a good idea. Just because some snot-nosed kid got a full driver's license should not mean that he should be able to operate a 50k-pound rig on the road with no further training.[/QU

Being a former professional driver ( 35 years) I agree with you 100%on that observation.

 

[joefromga]

It's not about safety and ideas. It's about making revenue.

 

[LD1]

You missed the first two words of that page????

Right above Where it says CDL classes....

The "commercial driver" part.

Look here near the bottom under exemptions Ohio CDL FAQs | Get Your OH CDL (Best)

It says

Are there any exemptions to being required to have Ohio CDL?
Yes, a few . . .
1. Active Duty Military . . . with military licenses operating military vehicles.
2. Firefighters . . . meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.
3. Farmers . . . in certain cases.
4. Individuals ....operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non business purposes.

or....from the same website you posted your picture from:



Everyone wants or overlook the commercial part. If you are not driving commercially, or engage in commerce, then why in the world would you think you need a CDL. Remember what the C stands for in CDL.

Now thats not saying you can go drive your own personal 53' 80,000# semi on your Class D license. But NO, you dont need a CDL. All you need is a non-commerical Class A.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Yep.. Had this debate several times on RV forums. No CDL required even if you use a Semi to pull a huge trailer/toy hauler for personal use.

 

[Rock knocker]

You missed the first two words of that page????

Right above Where it says CDL classes....

Who is this addressed to?

 

[LD1]

You. I thought I quoted your screenshot, guess not

 

[ultrarunner]

I've thought about one of those RV toy haulers to move my tractors and vehicles around... it would seem to by a way so as the 10,000 pound weight limit would not apply.

See plenty of rental RV going out all the time to foreign drivers on holiday... most have never driven even regular pickups...

 

[Rock knocker]

You. I thought I quoted your screenshot, guess not

Then I stand by statement that

If it's commercially plated and is a combination vehicle (truck + trailer) and you are towing in excess of 10K lbs. then CDL

Key point is commercially plated.

Is completely wrong. A vehicle driver only needs a CDL if:
1) The power unit is over 26K or
2) The combo is over 26K and comprised of a trailer over 10K.

Rswyan is incorrect about any combo over 10K requiring a CDL anywhere in the USA. Commercial vehicles in interstate commerce are required to have a DOT number and follow DOT driver laws, but that is a very different thing than a CDL

 

[LD1]

Then I stand by statement that



Is completely wrong. A vehicle driver only needs a CDL if:
1) The power unit is over 26K or
2) The combo is over 26K and comprised of a trailer over 10K.

Rswyan is incorrect about any combo over 10K requiring a CDL anywhere in the USA. Commercial vehicles in interstate commerce are required to have a DOT number and follow DOT driver laws, but that is a very different thing than a CDL

Statement is still incorrect......

After both of those statements, if you add "AND is towing commercially or engaging in Commerce" then it would be correct.

IE: you dont need a Commercial Drivers license unless you are towing Commercially.

You can haul your private stuff around on a combo over 26k all day long without a CDL.

 

[Rock knocker]

Statement is still incorrect......

After both of those statements, if you add "AND is towing commercially or engaging in Commerce" then it would be correct.

IE: you dont need a Commercial Drivers license unless you are towing Commercially.

You can haul your private stuff around on a combo over 26k all day long without a CDL.

OK, I agree.

But the arguement is those talking about a 10K limit, which is flat out wrong.

Start at the very first post in this thread

 

[MESSMAKER]

So a truck with a GVRW of over 10,000lbs needs nothing extra as long as it is not towing. It is still considered a passenger vehicle.

 

[LD1]

So a truck with a GVRW of over 10,000lbs needs nothing extra as long as it is not towing. It is still considered a passenger vehicle.

Correct, as long as its under 26k.

3500 DRW's have been over 10k for a few decades now.