4707

[LouNY]

Wet multi-disk clutches do not like to modulate a load.
Even though a motorcycle uses a multi disk wet clutch that is nice and smooth,
tractors with there electric/hydraulic engaged muti-disk clutches do not.

 

[MinnesotaMorg]

A jumpy azz clutch is just a no go when trying to do loader work or blow snow.

Don't try blowing snow or doing loader work near your house or shop or you just might end up going through a wall.

Well I'm not sure how much precision blowing i need to do, I feel like this could be an issue for me. I really started this entire tractor ordeal so I could clear the bulk of my driveway, and work on pasture as a bonus. I guess Ill have to find out for myself and get on the tractor right away to get used to it.

Yall got me wondering if I should have gone for a hydrostatic tractor hah. I imagine those are the most brain dead easy for loader and blowing?

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Well I'm not sure how much precision blowing i need to do, I feel like this could be an issue for me. I really started this entire tractor ordeal so I could clear the bulk of my driveway, and work on pasture as a bonus. I guess Ill have to find out for myself and get on the tractor right away to get used to it.

Yall got me wondering if I should have gone for a hydrostatic tractor hah. I imagine those are the most brain dead easy for loader and blowing?

Hydro is is ridiculously easy and fast for loader work, but it does come with a few penalties:

1. On farm equipment (things that are not yellow), hydro is typically loud.

2. Hydro sucks HP way more than geared transmissions.

3. Many times you have a need to change ranges while operating the tractor, and with hydro you have to come to a complete stop to do it.

 

[daugen]

I had only one regret going to the 4707 from a Kubota L5740.
I flat out loved that Kubota hydrostatic for loader work. You could carefully creep along, particularly if I had a guy up in a
man lift with the bucket all the way up. Doing that in a stick trans, frankly most clutches, could never be that smooth.

I still think there is a market out there for a 100hp hydrostatic.
however no one agrees with me...

 

[Sawyer Rob]

You could carefully creep along, particularly if I had a guy up in a
man lift with the bucket all the way up. Doing that in a stick trans, frankly most clutches, could never be that smooth.

IF, you couldn't/can't do that with a "stick trans", then that's on you not the trans or clutch!

I use a low RPM and first gear and just let the clutch out, no jerking around at all. If I need to speed up, I open the throttle to get more speed.

SR

 

[daugen]

You must be way more skilled than I Rob.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

You must be way more skilled than I Rob.

Maybe, but ANYONE can leave the tractor at idle and use first gear, for a "no jerk" takeoff with someone in a man lift!

SR

 

[LouNY]

I'll have to disagree Rob;
with my "power shuttle" in the Branson 8050 it is very difficult to get a smooth engagement, it does the shudder/chatter when trying.
The Puma 125 and the NH 6050 are both much more controllable but still a bit touchy depending on the temperature of the hydraulic fluids.
It seems to be a characteristic of many of the less expensive power shuttles.
When the NH 6050 was new they (the dealer) came out several times to work with the computer to get a shift and "clutch" pedal feel that was acceptable.
Some can be calibrated or tunes for a smoother engagment, some vary considerably with the fluid temperature.
I've used mine enough hours that in first gear and low range it is usually not dangerous, it can be embarrassingly rough when hooking up to equipment around others.
And the first gear high range is always rough with the foot clutch, using the forward/reverse lever is usually smoother.
The 0ne to Five volt rheostat in the "clutch" pedal is not linear enough or something

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Lou, from what I have seen, a lot of these tractors today just won't idle down enough, my neighbor bought a new john deere and that's "one of" the things he hates about it and deere says there's nothing they can do about it.

I don't own a tractor with a power shuttle as RELIABILITY is absolutely at the top of my list, so anymore I buy tractors that don't have all the "do dads" that aren't really necessary.

I buy tractors that use KISS technology! lol

SR

 

[MinnesotaMorg]

power shuttle as RELIABILITY is absolutely at the top of my list

Are you buying purely gear drive? There can't be a ton of options that have that anymore right?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I prefer gear drive with a shuttle, but not a power shuttle.

SR

 

[LouNY]

To each his own.
While the power shuttle may have some small issues all in all I'm glad to have it.
I like the left hand reverser action with no clutching, and no dry clutch to wear out.
Will it be a pain if I need to replace my wet clutches, heck yea.
Is it a pain to split a tractor to replace a dry clutch, heck yea.
Do I want to do either, nope.

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

I grew up with nothing but geared tractors (no shuttles whatsoever). Then got a Massey 1540 Powershuttle in 2007. It was fantastic. Had to sell it due to the economy in '09 and replaced it with a 1643 Hydro in '13. Replaced it last fall with this 4707 Powershuttle and am happier now.

Powershuttle is the best compromise, best overall transmission in a tractor, IMO.

 

[goridedoo]

Hooked my Deere MX10 rotary cutter to my 4707 on Thursday. Kicked the pto on at like 1300rpm, killed the tractor. Rev’d it up some more, kicked it on, tractor made a bunch of racket under the cab, threw a code, and kicked the pto off. Called the dealer, they came and got the tractor (90 miles for them) within 24hrs.

They say the mower is just too big for the tractor. Deere recommends minimum 60 pto hp for the lift type mower that I have. 40 pto hp for a pull type. I have a hard time believing that the tractor can’t even spin that mower with no load. I didn’t figure it would be ideal, but thought it would work OK for mowing approaches, and Ran it on a 3020 gasser for years with no issues.

Dealer is doing a good job of taking care of me… but this one has me scratching my head a little.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I prefer gear drive with a shuttle, but not a power shuttle.

SR

I want to clarify that statement.

FOR RELIABILITY, I prefer gear drive with a manual shuttle, it isn't that I don't like a power shuttle.

Example, my buddy is a mechanic, he works for a CIH dealer that also sells Kioti. I asked him what tractor he's been working on? He said a Kioti with 400 hrs on it, and he's pulling the hystat! He said, Kioti has put a stop on new orders, of that model, because of hystat problems.

Lucky for me, I don't have one, but "with the luck I have", if I had a Kioti, it would be MY tractor over there being worked on!

SR

 

[MinnesotaMorg]

Alright so it arrived. Looks good except for the 3rd remote I had them add, did they try to give me some old used pos? I don't understand how the 3rd remote could be so rusted lol.

I took it out in the pasture to just mess around and within 15 minutes I had found a hole that the former owner had buried some **** in and got myself nice and stuck. It wouldn't be an adventure without a little drama right away eh?

 

[Str8 6]

15 minutes and you've already got it stuck??? I'm glad I'm not the only one with that kind of luck. I have two rules chiseled in stone on my property, we don't bury anything and we don't let grass or trees grow up on fence lines. That's the most aggravating thing in the world, stuck from someone else being lazy or cheap.

 

[EddieWalker]

Might be a new record for getting a brand new tractor stuck in the mud!!!!!

 

[MinnesotaMorg]

alright I just needed practice with the loader, i was able to push myself out.

Anyone know whats going on with this 3rd remote? It looks like they took it off another tractor used rather than install a new one. The handle inside also looks like its from a different model

 

[LouNY]

The handles look fine one bent out on each side and the center one straight.
Many times factory parts are coming in unpainted it does seem quite ridiculous especially for the price they fetch.