Are all sub compacts essentially equal?

[cartod]

YEP, they are essentially the same. Pick a color.

 

[94BULLITT]

Are all sub-compacts equal? No, there's a pretty big range of capability within that category. Take a couple of similar models and you can see huge differences. For example, a Deere 1025R is a popular model that has 18hp at the PTO, weighs around 1,500lbs and can lift 825lbs on the FEL to 71" max height. Compare this to an LS J2023 which also has 17.5hp at the PTO, weighs around 1,500lbs, and can lift 1,270lbs to 85.7". That's a huge difference in loader capacity, and lift height for machines that are otherwise very similar. You would have to go to something like a Kubota B26 to get similar loader capability. Whether this difference in capability matters to someone is a different question.

Granted, that's just one spec, but it points out that there are some pretty big differences when you start looking at various models and particular capabilities.

I am pretty sure the LS J2023 is a lager machine than a 1025r.

 

[cmkh3]

Thanks for everyones thoughts on this issue. I like red, yellow, green and blue, even orange is OK so color I could care less about however having a smaller physical size but strong and safe (relative to the oop's factor) is the key.


Thanks
Chris

 

[Cherokee140]

The 30 is IIRC the one I saw and it was larger. I have never seen a New Holland 25. Are the New Holland in fact LS machines?

 

[k0ua]

Thanks for everyones thoughts on this issue. I like red, yellow, green and blue, even orange is OK so color I could care less about however having a smaller physical size but strong and safe (relative to the oop's factor) is the key.


Thanks
Chris

I see you live in Kitsap county WA. One of our members who hangs out mostly in the welding forum lives there. His screen name is Shield Arc. If you ever wanted to learn a lot about welding, you should become friends with Shield Arc. It would be worth your time.:thumbsup:

 

[GManBart]

I am pretty sure the LS J2023 is a lager machine than a 1025r.

The JD 1025R is 102.6" long with 3pt and weighs 1,444lbs.

An LS J2023 is 103" long with 3pt and and weighs 1,565lbs.

I wouldn't call .4" and 121lbs a significant difference....especially because there is no standard in how they weigh them.

 

[k0ua]

The 30 is IIRC the one I saw and it was larger. I have never seen a New Holland 25. Are the New Holland in fact LS machines?

Yes they are made by LS. But as in any distribution deal, there are small changes just like the Bobcat tractors were the same as the corresponding Kioti models, but there were some minor differences. Maybe 95 percent the same?

 

[madmax12]

What qualifies as a subcompact is also debatable and can depend on who you talk to. In this "class" I like the Mahindra Maxes, LS, Kioti CK2510. Some would argue that some of these are not SCUTS. I couldn't (and won't) argue either way. I know some are far away, but might be worth the drive to see what others might offer. Once you buy it, your need to visit the dealer should be very minimal. My first choice would probably be the Mahindra Max28XL for the combination of HP and lift.

I agree the Max28XL HST is a great machine. After doing my own research, the Max28 XL HST is the tractor I chose for myself.

That said, I think it would be hard to find a bad choice. Like others have said, test as many as you can. Search TBN for ways people use their machine. Consider the extreme projects you may want to tackle. Consider the 99% percent use of the machine's intended use. You'll be better served, imo, to get the machine that does best what you will almost always use it for. You may have other options to accomplish one off extreme projects.

Also, one TBN'er has mastered the art of trading his Kubota for another through Barlows. Find some of his threads. They are useful in this decision. I think his name is John Thomas. Someone please correct me if I'm saying something inaccurate.

 

[GManBart]

The 30 is IIRC the one I saw and it was larger. I have never seen a New Holland 25. Are the New Holland in fact LS machines?

Yes, but the loaders are different. A Boomer 20 is an LS J2023H. A Boomer 25 is an LS J2030H. There are some cosmetic difference...headlights, grills, etc, but that's about it.

 

[Cherokee140]

I just did a quick look up on LS tractors....I never researched them as they are too far away. I did look at New Holland, but in my mind they are New Holland. I did not know that LS is part of LG....that is a HUGE company. I would bet those machines are good quality machines....I wish there was a LS dealer closer to me....but oh well....In my old mind New Holland is still Ford....but I guess that relationship is long past.

I don't know on the ability to lift and such on the machines....I really think this is a bit of a gray area. I think that while the ability to lift, dig whatever is a key selling point I really think that the true safe operating range of the machines is understated for the lawyers sake. Remember JD got sued because the mower deck stayed on and some dolt ran over their child....at that point it does not matter if you win or lose the suit...you still lose...so now everything has some kind of extra thing you have to do to backup with the blades turning. Then there was the lawn mower HP thing a few years ago... I think little tractors are going to be the same, they are putting numbers on paper that are going to look good but be safe as well.