Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh!

[Danno1]

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Here ya go............

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[sandman2234]

I would go with the 17/32 or 33/64's rather than a 9/16, unless I didn't have them, and did have a 9/16. If your going to buy a drill, and they have the 33/64ths, that is what I would use with a second close as the 17/32".
I personally think the step drill is better suited for sheetmetal, rather than 1/4" plate, but do what you think is best. Whatever you do, go slow and use plenty of cutting oil to save the bit from heat.
David from jax

I wasn't kidding about the 17/32 either. They both exist.
Danno1,
I appreciate your support and watching my back for me. No telling when somebody is going to doubt your word.
David from jax

 

[Spiveyman]

OK, you guys are killing me. I guess this is where I post the formal apology to sandman and 3RRL - sorry to ever doubt your machine shop prowess. Thanks Danno for making real the saying, "be careful what you ask for." Shall I further highlight how handy I'm not? At least you all will believe me when I say that I'm not so handy. I think I'll just have the dude come torch it since I'm obviously not qualified to drill this hole.

So to break this down:
1/2 inch hole, 0.5 inches, 12.7 mm.
9/16", .5625", 14.2875mm
17/32", 0.53125", 13.49375
33/64", 0.515625", 13.096875mm

Keep in mind I can't exactly plop that bucket on a press. So by hand, holding the drill horizontally, probably with one hand while dripping oil here and there, kneeling over in the dried manure on the floor of the barn, under dim indirect light, while sweating profusely... I'm going to drill this dang hole??? I can say one thing with almost absolute certainty. I could drill that hole with any one of those bits and I bet CSI couldn't ascertain which bit I used by looking at the hole!!

After further thought, I think I'm just going to use Gorilla Glue.

 

[sandman2234]

You do have a magnetic base drill don't you? (Yes they make one of those also)
Apology accepted, mainly cause we are just here to have fun and learn stuff, and I was pulling your leg about being upset about being doubted.
Life is good, I got my JD running again!!
David from jax


4209-1 Milwaukee Electromagnetic Drill Press

 

[jbrumberg]

Keep in mind I can't exactly plop that bucket on a press. So by hand, holding the drill horizontally, probably with one hand while dripping oil here and there, kneeling over in the dried manure on the floor of the barn, under dim indirect light, while sweating profusely... I'm going to drill this dang hole??? I can say one thing with almost absolute certainty. I could drill that hole with any one of those bits and I bet CSI couldn't ascertain which bit I used by looking at the hole!!

Spiveyman et. al.

I will admit to all that my two very carefully measured holes resulted in two perfectly matching but slightly "egged" (ultimately) holes for my bolt-over the bolt-on cutting bar toothbar sold by NH. The "straight and true" holes are not mine . My operational environment was similar to Spiveyman's minus the barn and I had a lot of doggie poo to circumnavigate . I am not overjoyed by the cost or sizing-fit of the NH toothbar with my bucket and/or my "dead eye" measurement, but I am very happy with the utility of the toothbar.

 

[john_bud]

As with most things, Spiveyman, you'll probably find that more time is spent actively not do it that will be needed to actually do it.

What I'm saying is, buy a center punch, hammer to hit it, 1/8", 1/4", 3/8" and the final 17/32" bit. Drill each one, spinning the drill progressively slower. As you get to the last bit of hole to drill out - lighten up the pressure so the bit won't grab.

You can get a drill (B&D) with a built in level for only $5 more than the bottom of the bucket drill.

Last point, you do know that the FEL can actually be raised up to a convenient working height? Turn on the engine and manipulate the lever looking thing on the right.... No need to be kneeling in steaming piles of organic growth medium (AKA pile-o-politician promises).

jb

 

[Spiveyman]

You do have a magnetic base drill don't you?

Do I sound like the kind of guy who would have a magnetic base drill?!?! HA! That is great! My feeling of inadequacy is now complete. So does this mean that you don't think my drill will have enough umph to get the job done? Here's a picture of it:


(Glad to hear the JD is back among the living.)

...two very carefully measured holes resulted in two perfectly matching but slightly "egged" (ultimately) holes..

Um huh? My point exactly, so in the non-egged dimension I presume you held it to exactly 0.515625". Right?

Last point, you do know that the FEL can actually be raised up to a convenient working height? Turn on the engine and manipulate the lever looking thing on the right.... No need to be kneeling in steaming piles of organic growth medium (AKA pile-o-politician promises).

So that's what that little black joy-stick thingy on the right side is!!! That will help a ton when I'm driving my tractor around, I won't be scalping the fields with the FEL now!

(JB, Just between you and me... that kneeling in the manure thing was for effect.)

You can get a drill (B&D) with a built in level for only $5 more than the bottom of the bucket drill.

Yep, actually have a real nice cordless with the levels on top and back-side, but will probably pick up a corded version for some extra umph.

What I'm saying is, buy a center punch, hammer to hit it, 1/8", 1/4", 3/8" and the final 17/32" bit. Drill each one, spinning the drill progressively slower. As you get to the last bit of hole to drill out - lighten up the pressure so the bit won't grab.

Sadly, all kidding aside, this is the first time that sunk in. I do have the center punch already, and an assortment of hammers that should get the job done, and an assortment of bits, though I will likely need to get a >1/2" bit.
Wow - all of this over drilling a hole. Can you imagine the length of the thread when I start my 3RRL-type mod's?!?!?!

 

[JC-jetro]

No particular comments to make, but this post lightens my day... keep up the good work gents

 

[jbrumberg]

I kind of did what john_bud suggested with the inclusion of one of those step drill bit thingies before I ended up using a 5/8"/0.625"/15.5mm drill bit. I am a therapist not a tool and die/machinist guy- I just let those holes
"self-actualize" . A big enough washer will hide the "handiwork" . Jay

 

[Danno1]

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Spivey,

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I really was just trying to show you that there are all kinds of cutting tools out there. Including metrics in half mm (or less maybe) increments.

Anyway FWIW, I have a nice corded DeWalt and an 18 V cordless DW. A few years back I had to drive some lag screws through 4x4s into 2x12s. The cordless actually had more torque!!! Still had to finish them off w a ratchet though.

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[Spiveyman]

No particular comments to make, but this post lightens my day... keep up the good work gents

JC, there are folks around here that can wow you with perfect weld beads, innovative home made mods to their machinery, and both the vision to look at a forest and see an RV park with a lake and the skill to be able to make it reality. Since all of those roles were already taken, there seemed to be a nitch for someone with no real skills, experience, or much machinery who could probably make the average TBN'er feel pretty good about their own abilities in comparison. My family's always told me that if I can't laugh at myself, I'm going to feel left out an aweful lot.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I really was just trying to show you that there are all kinds of cutting tools out there. Including metrics in half mm (or less maybe) increments.

No problem Danno, that was perfect. Like Abbott and Costello, a good straight man makes all the difference. Afterall, I did leave the door pretty wide open there.

Anyway FWIW, I have a nice corded DeWalt and an 18 V cordless DW. A few years back I had to drive some lag screws through 4x4s into 2x12s. The cordless actually had more torque!!! Still had to finish them off w a ratchet though.

Really? Hmmmm.... mine's a 19.2 V and does a very good job, but I always assumed a corded one would have more torque and reach higher rpm when needed.

A big enough washer will hide the "handiwork"

Words to live by.

 

[sandman2234]

For a little more torque, you could use a 110v gear reduction drill motor. I have one regular one, and another "Hole Hog" from Milwaukee Tools that is right angle. Both castings are threaded for a piece of pipe so you can get a good grip on it with a little leverage. When the drill bit sticks, either one of them will break your wrist if you try to hang on to it.
Pay particular attention to the center punch post by John_bud, as that really is the way you need to do it. You will be surprised at just how easy a good sharp drill bit will cut.
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

Ok, it's been a couple of days, and even Spiveyman could have figured out that he has to bring the tractor closer to the barn to plug the drill in and get those holes done.
Wife must have the camera, or he decided to go with the torch method and it burnt off all the paint and he is scared to post a picture of it till he gets some more paint on it.
What do they look like???
David from jax

 

[Spiveyman]

HA!!! I've been waiting on the electric company to run a line out to the other side of the barn. I guess I could have driven around or used an extension cord, but that seemed like so much hassle.

ACTUALLY, the dang tooth bar still isn't in!!! I've called about 6 times. All the people at the shop know my voice now. I call and say "howdy" and they reply with "it's not in yet, call back next week."

In the mean time I have purchased a nice drill, Sears had a sale, and found a 9/16 bit, but haven't located all those in between sizes yet. I'm thinking wallering with a 1/2" may be my best bet, but I'd kind of like to know the size of the bolts before cutting.

Here's what I've been doing in the mean time....


We (my beef company) co-sponsored a BBQ at a local exotic game preserve. I just got that shoulder mount and made a stand for it so we could haul it around. The new drill was overkill, but this is America.

Still waiting on the metal so that I can breech the world of "handiness."

 

[3RRL]

Ha, LMOA! You guys are too much.
Hey Tim, nice looking stuff there. You look like a Texan now.
Oh, be sure the 9/16" drill you got has a shank size that will fit your drill motor chuck....like a 1/2" shank. What size (capacity) drill will yours hold? Some are only 1/4", 3/8" and larger ones are 1/2" capacity and maybe even 5/8"(my largest hand drill is 1/2"). So you need to look at something like a Silver Deming drill set so it will fit your chuck. Don't recall if you thought of that or not?
8PC, 9/16" TO 1" SILVER DEMING DRILL BITS SET TITANIUM - (eBay item 230176397035 end time Oct-03-07 10:59:16 PDT)

 

[Spiveyman]

Ha, LMOA! You guys are too much.
Hey Tim, nice looking stuff there. You look like a Texan now.
Oh, be sure the 9/16" drill you got has a shank size that will fit your drill motor chuck....like a 1/2" shank. What size (capacity) drill will yours hold? Some are only 1/4", 3/8" and larger ones are 1/2" capacity and maybe even 5/8"(my largest hand drill is 1/2"). So you need to look at something like a Silver Deming drill set so it will fit your chuck. Don't recall if you thought of that or not?

Yeah it doesn't take long to make friends here at TBN, and once you do I think everything is fair game!! It's kind of like Roy's hat, if no one cared they wouldn't take the time to poke fun at it. So in that respect I obviously don't mind the joking.

I'd say that I ALMOST look like a Texan, I'm only 5' 10". I always wished I'd been from Texas, then I would have at least made it to 6', right?

My cordless has a 3/8" chuck and the new corded has a 1/2". Believe it or not, I was paying attention to that because I didn't want to do something stupid and then have to come here and confess in front of all of these experts. Even though my new drill will hold 1/2" shanks, I got a Dewalt bit that has the reduced shank so that if I ever had to I could still use it with my cordless (you know, like just in case the electric company doesn't get that new pole set before my tooth bar comes in and I have to use the cordless drill!!! )

 

[jbrumberg]

Spiveyman:

I appreciate your sense of humor, good naturedness, as well as your openess ! TBN has become a confessional to many probably because of the sense of community that exists here . Jay

PS: I purchased larger sized washers at TSC to cover my egged out drillings . I will add that my "handiwork" with the drillling has not negatively impacted on the tootbar's performance.

 

[Spiveyman]

Thanks Jay, it is kind of liberating to be able to air the stupid things out that we do. Definitely a kind of therapy for tractor-a-holics.

Now that I think of it, I have to run by TSC tomorrow for some fencing stuff (we're moving about 50 longhorns to my place Thurs - Sat) I might as well go ahead and pick up the biggest washers they have. That way the pictures will look so much nicer IF they ever do get my tooth bar in!!! Right now though my tractor maintenance facility has been transformed into a cutting/working facility so we can tag, band, and brand some future hamburgers.

 

[EddieWalker]

I'd say that I ALMOST look like a Texan, I'm only 5' 10". I always wished I'd been from Texas, then I would have at least made it to 6', right?

I sure wish I new this earlier in life!!! I'm the same height as you, but born and raised in California. If I'd have moved here sooner, I might have grown that extra 2 inches too.

If they gave me more room for my signature, I'd steel this quote from you and add it to my others!!!

Eddie

 

[Spiveyman]

If they gave me more room for my signature, I'd steel this quote from you and add it to my others!!!

Wow, now that is a compliment. I don't usually get to hang out with the Teddy/Winston crowd. I usually fit in better with Earl Pits.