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Cat refers to the 3 point hitch pin sizes and top link. The pto is the shaft to turn powered implements. The BX is kinda like a mix of 0 and 1. You can use cat 1 stuff on the BX, sometime you might have lift issues due to weight, travel etc. Cat zero is for tractors up to 20 HP, and the 1860 is 18hp hence the reason why dealer says cat zero for your BX. There are some limitations to which cat 1 you can use. for example the subsoiler- the regular subsoiler is too long and it touches the ground lifted all the way up. Or a post hole digger, the auger could be dragging on the ground when transporting it, hence reason why they have junoir sizes of post hole diggers.
So-- :confused2: dizzy yet ?
to sum it up- its a cat 1 on your BX, but you have to be dilegent in sizes and wieght of your implements you buy. You can but cat 0 stuff for your BX, but keep in mind you will need to buy cat 0 to cat 1 bushings and be careful with it since it can bend like a pretzel with thinner metal.
So-- :confused2: dizzy yet ?
to sum it up- its a cat 1 on your BX, but you have to be dilegent in sizes and wieght of your implements you buy. You can but cat 0 stuff for your BX, but keep in mind you will need to buy cat 0 to cat 1 bushings and be careful with it since it can bend like a pretzel with thinner metal.
KU Gator
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Fortunately the implement manufacturers have recognized the sub CUT market so there is a good selection of implements sized to these tractors. If you have been at a Tractor Supply you may have notice the XB series of implements that are made for the SCUTs. They are not only sized weight wize to work, but also not as tall so they can be lifted off the ground. Land pride has a pretty good guide in their web site for selecting implements based on the power of the tractor. I believe the true category 0 equipment is set for the lower control arms to be 20" wide where as category 1 is usually 26" wide. I think some of the earlier BX models lower arms on the 3 pt hitch would not go out to 26" wide, but the newer models do.
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The Woods PHD25 would be a good fit. It is part of their "Estate" series which is designed for use with SCUTs. It uses 30" long augers (either 6", 9" or 12" diameter) so it will work fine with the reduced lift height of SCUTs.
The Landpride PHD10 is very similar to the Woods and also part of their line of implements for subcompacts.
Hope this helps.
KU Gator
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If you go to the Land Pride website I attached and click on the Post Hole diger selection, you will see the PD10. If you select it, there is a picture of what looks to like a BX with a post hole digger attached. The difference is it has a 30" long shaft instead of 48" like the next bigger version. I am not pushing Land Pride, they just have a web site sorting their products by horse power. You will find similar quality and selection with Woods, Bush Hog and others.
From a purchase end, you will find a good selection. Your ability to rent or borrow, may be a little more difficult. I don't know if the rental equipment companies carry equipment sized to SCUTs or not. To me, a post hole digger is something I would use for a rare project, but not something I would be likely to buy, but your needs obviously may be different.
From a purchase end, you will find a good selection. Your ability to rent or borrow, may be a little more difficult. I don't know if the rental equipment companies carry equipment sized to SCUTs or not. To me, a post hole digger is something I would use for a rare project, but not something I would be likely to buy, but your needs obviously may be different.
That is partly the problem, most implements other than loader and some sort of blade I can't imagine using more than a few times. Once I'm done putting the fence who knows if I'll use the post hole digger again.
Of course I shouldn't even mention that I am still undecided about the tractor, part of me wonders if I really need something that big or if I should just get a large mower. I guess it just depends on how hard I want to work
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For fence post holes, you can always rent a powered two man auger. They work pretty well and if you have a helper and a few dry days, you can dig a lot in a day and set the posts over the next couple of days after you take it back.
If you are going on "need", not many of us truely need one. I was maintaining my 3 acre yard ok with the J.D. garden tractor I bought from the previous owner. If you go with the BX & a loader, you will find a lot of uses for it and enjoy a lot of projects that you may have dreaded before. In a few minutes I am going out to trim bushes. I will take the loader and throw the branches in the bucket and use it instead of my wheel barrow. I used the tractor to move a lot of gravel to an area I was landscaping. In the past I have put in patios using the shovel and wheel barrow method. You can do a lot that way, just easier and more fun with the tractor.
With reasonable care, it will last a long time and likely to give you good service. If doing projects outside is something you like to do, you will find it to be an enjoyable thing to own. If not, buy something to mow with and be happy.
If you are going on "need", not many of us truely need one. I was maintaining my 3 acre yard ok with the J.D. garden tractor I bought from the previous owner. If you go with the BX & a loader, you will find a lot of uses for it and enjoy a lot of projects that you may have dreaded before. In a few minutes I am going out to trim bushes. I will take the loader and throw the branches in the bucket and use it instead of my wheel barrow. I used the tractor to move a lot of gravel to an area I was landscaping. In the past I have put in patios using the shovel and wheel barrow method. You can do a lot that way, just easier and more fun with the tractor.
With reasonable care, it will last a long time and likely to give you good service. If doing projects outside is something you like to do, you will find it to be an enjoyable thing to own. If not, buy something to mow with and be happy.
KeithInSpace
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To your initial question, the technical term I've seen used is "Limited Cat 1". It is a "Category 1" hitch in that it uses the full sized pins, connectors, lynch pins, and arms. A Category 0 hitch uses smaller mounting points. It is "Limited" because of its not spreading quite as much as, say, a B-series tractor and because it can't lift things quite as high.
As others have said, there are many different lines of "sub-compact" attachments from Woods, TSC, and LandPride, to name a few. You won't have any problem finding the properly sized attachments for your BX.
To your other question, that is a matter of what you're going to do with it.
If you are mowing your grass, moving mulch, moving dirt, and doing "normal" things with your tractor, you won't get much benefit from the slightly larger frame, slightly larger tires, and slightly higher capacities that a BX2360 offers.
If you plan on doing a bunch of tilling, buying a chipper, buying a PTO generator, attaching a Woods Backhoe, going through the woods, or otherwise have a deep desire for a little more horsepower, a little more ground clearence, or a little more length, then go ahead and get a BX2360.
The rule of thumb with these tractors is that you'll run out of traction before you run out of power. I do, however, have a neighbor that has an 1860 and when he saw my BX2230 (older generation akin to BX2360) with backhoe attached (making the BX24 it's closest relative), he immediately had buyers regret and wished he had made the bump to the larger tractor. And I have to say that I've NEVER regretted getting the larger of the BX line of machines...nor have I wished I had gotten the smaller.
That said, I have a close friend on 10 acres that has a BX1850 who is as happy as a clam. Has zero desire for more horsepower or size and his tractor does everything he wants it to do. The BX1860 is a very capable and desireable machine.
Clear as mud, but the real answer lies in what you want to use the machine for and how you feel about putting another $2k into the mix.
As others have said, there are many different lines of "sub-compact" attachments from Woods, TSC, and LandPride, to name a few. You won't have any problem finding the properly sized attachments for your BX.
To your other question, that is a matter of what you're going to do with it.
If you are mowing your grass, moving mulch, moving dirt, and doing "normal" things with your tractor, you won't get much benefit from the slightly larger frame, slightly larger tires, and slightly higher capacities that a BX2360 offers.
If you plan on doing a bunch of tilling, buying a chipper, buying a PTO generator, attaching a Woods Backhoe, going through the woods, or otherwise have a deep desire for a little more horsepower, a little more ground clearence, or a little more length, then go ahead and get a BX2360.
The rule of thumb with these tractors is that you'll run out of traction before you run out of power. I do, however, have a neighbor that has an 1860 and when he saw my BX2230 (older generation akin to BX2360) with backhoe attached (making the BX24 it's closest relative), he immediately had buyers regret and wished he had made the bump to the larger tractor. And I have to say that I've NEVER regretted getting the larger of the BX line of machines...nor have I wished I had gotten the smaller.
That said, I have a close friend on 10 acres that has a BX1850 who is as happy as a clam. Has zero desire for more horsepower or size and his tractor does everything he wants it to do. The BX1860 is a very capable and desireable machine.
Clear as mud, but the real answer lies in what you want to use the machine for and how you feel about putting another $2k into the mix.
KU Gator
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Given my about 1.5 years of tractor ownership, I have advanced my knowledge from knowing nothing to knowing next to nothing, take this for what it is worth. But God love any woman who wants more horsepower (actually my wife suggested we go with a B2920 over a 2620).
For doing things like moving dirt and snow using a FEL or rear blade, more power doesn't make that much difference. With these lightweight tractors, you run out of traction before HP. So within the same size and weight, the HP will only make a limited amount of difference. Where HP makes the difference is with the PTO, thus you can go with the bigger mower and handle a tiller or posthole digger easier because these are ran off the power take off. Also, I think you get a little bigger tires with the 2360. I would probably opt for the 2360 since if you do the 0% finance, it will be spread out and not adding that much.
For doing things like moving dirt and snow using a FEL or rear blade, more power doesn't make that much difference. With these lightweight tractors, you run out of traction before HP. So within the same size and weight, the HP will only make a limited amount of difference. Where HP makes the difference is with the PTO, thus you can go with the bigger mower and handle a tiller or posthole digger easier because these are ran off the power take off. Also, I think you get a little bigger tires with the 2360. I would probably opt for the 2360 since if you do the 0% finance, it will be spread out and not adding that much.
I just moved to my current place that has a little over 3 acres. It came with a little old MTD that was near the end of it's useful life. When we first put a contract on the house I started to look at the larger used box store tractors...the 54" cut Cubs and Deeres - (1.5 - 2k). Then I figured I should get a new one (2.5 - 3k).
My brother bought a new x300 and I guess he was telling the sales guy about my new place and they tried to talk me into a new x500 (5.5k). I figured for just 2-3k more than the x500 I could get a used BX that would do a lot more (7 - 9k). I called about, replied to ads, looked a lot of places and I was not having very much luck finding anything used that suited.
Ok...maybe I'll just get a new one...they seem to hold their value pretty well (12 - 13k) I thought...quotes came back just shy of 14k (BX2360). Oh well...what's another 1 - 2k. What...0% financing for 60 months...no cash discount? Well...if I'm going to spend that much let me jump up to a B series because it will do more and we may end up moving to some place with a little bigger piece of property. Ordered a B2320 last week for what a lot of people spend on cars. Considered calling back and going with a 2620 but where does it stop? I think I'll be happy with my B2320.
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I went back to see what you want to do with the tractor and the only thing you've mentioned is a post hole digger. I have to smile at the advise/recommendations you've rec'd beyond the PTO question you asked about. The running out of traction before HP is correct which has been tossed in. I won't give you any advise/suggestions until you give a bit of detail of your planned needs/jobs/expectations. I will tell you I bought my first tractor 6 years ago. It was a BX2200 with a mid mount mower and a front end loader. I bought it expecting it to be a lifetime mower with an expensive wheelbarrow fastened to the front of it. I went up to a B7800 after a year because of the jobs I found to do after finding out these BX's are tractors that will mow, not mowers that you can do other things with. By the way, I bought my 10th Kubota earlier this month and I've bought and sold and kept several implements. I have around 5 acres of hillside, rocky, treed, gullied property and I am taking control of it. Go to a dealer and drive one around the lot. Hopefully he will have a lot with terain like your property and not a small concrete display lot. If your not convinced after sitting on it and driving it then go to Lowe's or Sears and get a riding Lawn mower which you can replace in 5 or 6 years when maintenance costs more than a new one. Maybe then you'll go for a tractor that mows.
The running out of traction before HP is correct which has been tossed in. I won't give you any advise/suggestions until you give a bit of detail of your planned needs/jobs/expectations. I will tell you I bought my first tractor 6 years ago. It was a BX2200 with a mid mount mower and a front end loader. I bought it expecting it to be a lifetime mower with an expensive wheelbarrow fastened to the front of it. I went up to a B7800 after a year because of the jobs I found to do after finding out these BX's are tractors that will mow, not mowers that you can do other things with. By the way, I bought my 10th Kubota earlier this month and I've bought and sold and kept several implements. I have around 5 acres of hillside, rocky, treed, gullied property and I am taking control of it. Go to a dealer and drive one around the lot. Hopefully he will have a lot with terain like your property and not a small concrete display lot. If your not convinced after sitting on it and driving it then go to Lowe's or Sears and get a riding Lawn mower which you can replace in 5 or 6 years when maintenance costs more than a new one. Maybe then you'll go for a tractor that mows.KU Gator
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Moving into new house in Wichita area on 3 flat acres. Maintaining drive and doing yard projects. It was in his other posts.
I'll describe a bit more.
First, its a new development, there are almost now trees, it was pretty flat, now with the house being a walkout basement we've developed a bit of a incline but not too bad.
We have a pond at one end of the lot as part of water easement. We also have a chunk of the water easement running through the side of the lot into the pond. It will need a bit of fixing right now because it has eroded a bit.
The lot is pretty clean right now so there won't be any need to remove old stumps, or anything like that.
So the projects will start with planting grass. Installing a small fence (<200 ft). Then we would like to do a bit of landscaping, personally I am a big fan of raising and lowering levels, so making berms, hills, etc. I also have plans for a couple of small ponds. We also want to extend our backyard patio which will need a bit of work on digging so we can pour the cement at the same level as our current patio.
Also I have a gravel drive (circular) which will need maintenance.
And finally, the wife and I have a bit of the re-modeler complex so I am sure we'll be working on that backyard for as long as we live there.
Money-wise the bx2360 is probably as high as we would go, if we even consider going that high. After-all we gotta save a little for implements in the future, seed, fertilizer, who knows what else.
Thanks,
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Get the BX1860 and the implements you need now for the difference in money at the 0% interest for all of it. Get a , MMM, FEL, boxblade and RatchetRake. Have (pay) someone with a post hole digger to come dig all your fence posts or buy a PHD for a SCUT and plan to use it for planting trees and shrubs and other plants over the years. Or buy it, dig your posts and then sell it. I bought almost 60 trees one year from Lowe's at clearance so I bought a PHD for that and have already gotten rid of it, but it was great for my need at the time. PHD's don't require great PTO HP.
