chain performace

   / chain performace #41  
I happened to take a pic of some of my spare chains,,
The three on the left are for my 029Super,, the one on the right is for my Stihl 261C-M

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,
two of those chains are the dreaded "yellow link" HIGH kickback chain,, (I guess)
The yellow is the only chain the Stihl place that I shop at carries,,

I bought these chains over the years for the 029Super as spares, and have not used them ,, yet.

If anyone can "decipher" what the chains are, I would appreciate it,,
I can not figure out a couple of them from the Stihl info,,, o_O

Stihl Chains.jpg
 
   / chain performace #42  
As noted in my description, Oregon does not consider their LPX series to be "safety chain". As you noted, the extra ramp next to the depth gauge does help reduce vibration. However, it does in fact also reduce kickback energy should the "kickback zone" at the tip of the bar come in contact with a log. ORegon specifically lists that "Bumper drive link" as a kickback reduction feature. From the description in their brochure on LPX chain: "• Ramped shape helps reduce kickback energies • Smooth cutting action"

If you imagine that chain bent around the radius at the tip of he bar, that ramp fills some of the gap between the teeth, pushing the chain a bit further out of the wood than it would be otherwise.



I remember reading something about X-grind a while ago, but Oregon's descriptions of the LPX and LGX chains do not mention it. IS that something that is associated with their newer EXL chain?

BTW, the extra hook I was speaking of is not shown in the photos. It can be duplicated by just sinking the round file a little too deep when sharpening.
Just went and looks at the Oregon products page and they list the X- grind for the series 20 and series 70 LPX chains and the 70 series LGX chains.

Found it here Oregon brand 3/8" pitch chain saw chain for professional chainsaw users

Appears to be an older version of the oregon website, since it doesn't appear to include the EXL series which is listed on the current oregonproducts website, but no were does it mention X grind on the newer page.

Just confirmed that is an archived page from 2018 since it includes the catalog for 2018
 
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   / chain performace #44  
Any opinions of the most suitable type if chain for cutting hardwood using a 16-18" bar. Brands not important. I have two EGO battery powered saws that came with Oregon low profile chains. The 16" revs up to 6500 rpm, the 18" revs up to 11,000 rpm. I have over 40 years experience using chainsaws. Is the low profile the best choice, or is there a better option? Thanks folks.
 
   / chain performace #45  
Any opinions of the most suitable type if chain for cutting hardwood using a 16-18" bar. Brands not important. I have two EGO battery powered saws that came with Oregon low profile chains. The 16" revs up to 6500 rpm, the 18" revs up to 11,000 rpm. I have over 40 years experience using chainsaws. Is the low profile the best choice, or is there a better option? Thanks folks.
The problem is that those battery powered saws to not have the power to run a more aggressive chain than the low profile chain that comes with them. Changing to a different pitch (3/8" standard or .325") would likely be more than those saws can handle.

To make a specific chain recommendation, I'd need the information on what your saw is set up to use now. Usually the chain requirements are stamped on the bar. You mentioned "low profile". I'm assuming that is 3/8" pitch low profile. If you know the brand and specific type of chain you are using now, that would be helpful, so we know what chain it is that you are trying to improve upon.

There is a bit more information needed:
Gauge: Given that these are battery saws, I'm guessing that it is also .043" gauge (1.1mm) you should see .043 or 1.1 stamped on the bar
Regular or Narrow Kerf bar: I'm also betting you have narrow kerf bars. Most battery saws do. You may see some indication of this on the bar, such as "NK" stamped somewhere. A narrow kerf bar should be matched with a narrow kerf chain.
Number of Drive links: needed to get the correct size chain loop. Not all saws with a 16" bar take the same number of drive links.

At one point, I could swear I saw someone selling a Full Chisel 3/8" low profile chain. Full chisel has a square-off corner where the side plate meets the top plat of the chain. Most of the 3/8" low-profile chain I've seen are "semi-chisel" (that corner is either rounded off, rather than a sharp 90˚ edge), or it has what is sometimes referred to as a "chamfer chisel" (the corner has a small bevel on the edge, so it's really made up of two 45˚ angles than one 90˚ corner).

A full chisel chain would be my preference for cutting clean hardwoods. The cutting performance is a bit better than the semi-chisel chain. (The advantage of semi-chisel chain is that it is more forgiving of minor sharpening errors, and it holds up to dirty conditions a bit longer than full chisel chain.) While I thought I saw full chisel low profile a few years ago, I can't find it now. (I've not looked all that hard yet.)

Keep in mind that many battery powered saws are the equivalent of a cheap 30cc gas saw in terms of cutting power. The best of them might keep up with a good 40cc gas saw. That may improve in the future, but if you are expecting your battery saw to gut like a 60-70cc gas saw (or even a decent 50cc saw), that just isn't going to happen.

A last tip: the best thing you can do to improve performance is learn to sharpen your own chains, do it well, and do it often. As a chainsaw safety instructor once told me "you don't sharpen a chain because it got dull. You sharpen a chain to keep it from getting dull." That is: sharpen at the first sign your chain is no longer cutting at it's best.
 
   / chain performace #46  
The problem is that those battery powered saws to not have the power to run a more aggressive chain than the low profile chain that comes with them. Changing to a different pitch (3/8" standard or .325") would likely be more than those saws can handle.

To make a specific chain recommendation, I'd need the information on what your saw is set up to use now. Usually the chain requirements are stamped on the bar. You mentioned "low profile". I'm assuming that is 3/8" pitch low profile. If you know the brand and specific type of chain you are using now, that would be helpful, so we know what chain it is that you are trying to improve upon.

There is a bit more information needed:
Gauge: Given that these are battery saws, I'm guessing that it is also .043" gauge (1.1mm) you should see .043 or 1.1 stamped on the bar
Regular or Narrow Kerf bar: I'm also betting you have narrow kerf bars. Most battery saws do. You may see some indication of this on the bar, such as "NK" stamped somewhere. A narrow kerf bar should be matched with a narrow kerf chain.
Number of Drive links: needed to get the correct size chain loop. Not all saws with a 16" bar take the same number of drive links.

At one point, I could swear I saw someone selling a Full Chisel 3/8" low profile chain. Full chisel has a square-off corner where the side plate meets the top plat of the chain. Most of the 3/8" low-profile chain I've seen are "semi-chisel" (that corner is either rounded off, rather than a sharp 90˚ edge), or it has what is sometimes referred to as a "chamfer chisel" (the corner has a small bevel on the edge, so it's really made up of two 45˚ angles than one 90˚ corner).

A full chisel chain would be my preference for cutting clean hardwoods. The cutting performance is a bit better than the semi-chisel chain. (The advantage of semi-chisel chain is that it is more forgiving of minor sharpening errors, and it holds up to dirty conditions a bit longer than full chisel chain.) While I thought I saw full chisel low profile a few years ago, I can't find it now. (I've not looked all that hard yet.)

Keep in mind that many battery powered saws are the equivalent of a cheap 30cc gas saw in terms of cutting power. The best of them might keep up with a good 40cc gas saw. That may improve in the future, but if you are expecting your battery saw to gut like a 60-70cc gas saw (or even a decent 50cc saw), that just isn't going to happen.

A last tip: the best thing you can do to improve performance is learn to sharpen your own chains, do it well, and do it often. As a chainsaw safety instructor once told me "you don't sharpen a chain because it got dull. You sharpen a chain to keep it from getting dull." That is: sharpen at the first sign your chain is no longer cutting at it's best.
I did some research and decided to absolutely stay with the OEM chains. My 16" saw claims to be equivalent in power to a 40cc gas saw. The equivalent rating for the 18"is 45cc. The 16" model uses this chain: .043 in. Gauge Chain with 3/8 in. Low Pro Pitch.
In conclusion, after owning several gas saws, I am extremely impress at the capability of these saws. I'm currently cutting my second log truck load of very old pacific madrone, one of the hardest woods available here.

Details​


The EGO replacement chain saw chain is the only replacement chain recommended for use with the EGO Power+ 18 in. Chain Saw (CS1800). The replacement chain features a low-kickback design to enhance user safety. EGO parts are designed specifically for your EGO POWER+ products and offer the highest quality, performance, and value.

Tech Specs​




Low kickback design
  • 0.050 in. Gauge
  • 3/8 in. low pro pitch
  • Genuine EGO parts ensure compatibility, quality and performance
  • Replacement chain for POWER+ 18" Chain Saw (CS1800)
 
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   / chain performace #47  
My 16" saw claims to be equivalent in power to a 40cc gas saw. The equivalent rating for the 18" is 45cc.

Where are you seeing those claims? I cannot find any comparison to a gas chainsaw on their web site.
 
   / chain performace #49  
Not sure how I missed that the first time I visited their web site.

I did search YouTube and found no head-to-head tests of an Ego chainsaw against a decent 40/45cc chainsaw (or any chainsaw, for that matter). I did see one comparing their 14" model against several other battery saws and one 35cc gas saw. Could not find any for their 16 or 18" model.
 
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   / chain performace #50  
Not sure how I missed that the first time I visited their web site.

I did search YouTube and found no head-to-head tests of an Ego chainsaw against a decent 40/45cc chainsaw (or any chainsaw, for that matter). I did see one comparing their 14" model against several other battery saws and one 35cc gas saw. Could not find any for their 16 or 18" model.
In general, here are several videos comparing gas vs. battery powered. gas vs battery chainsaw at DuckDuckGo. Here is an excellent video where EGO is compared to several battery powered.
 

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