Co-worker with 6.4 Ford Power Stroke problems.

[MikePA]

All manufacturers have problems created by outside vendors going the cheap route.

Do ALL manufacturers have problems? Yes. See comment below about humans.
Do ALL manufacturers have problems caused by outside vendors? I don't know who or what causes their problems.
Do ALL manufacturers have problems caused by outside vendors going the cheap route? I don't know what causes the problems and unless someone on TBN actually works for the manufacturer, specifically in their quality control/warranty area, no one on TBN does.

While computers are used to design many things, it is still the human behind the keyboard who enters the information.

A part, like a frame, can be designed correctly, made correctly, and still fail in the field. Maybe it was not tested correctly or in the right environment. Who knows why.

 

[TheGoose]

56K? Get back with us when you pass the 100k mark. That is MY standard.

Listen, every vehicle I have owned I expect to take back to the dealer at least once for something trivial. Brakes squeaking, loose trim, etc. I took my '12 back due to a rough idle (which, BTW, they DID NOT fix). I do not consider a major radiator failure in 25K to be reliable. What if the failure occurred while you were pulling a case 580 backhoe down the interstate and you overheated the engine and blew the motor?

I stand by my OPINION that the 6.4 is a problem child engine and that for Diamond Pilot to repeatedly take up for it is B.S. especially when he is fast to pound on other brands. Again, I personally own/operate 2 Ford Trucks.

Mine has 56k. The engine has been absolutely reliable. The cooling system had an issue that was resolved with one trip to the dealer. I realize that vehicles have occasional issues, and nothing mechanical is perfect. For me, with one trip to the dealer in the 4 years and 30k+ miles I have put on the truck, that's reliable IMO.

If you are one of those that expects absolutely zero trips to the dealer and expects it to be perfect, then no, my truck has not been reliable. If you are like me and realize that, sometimes, mechanical things break, then my truck has been reliable. Other than oil changes, I have been without my truck for about 4 hours in 4 years. That means I have had my truck available for 99.99% of the time. What is not reliable about that?

A 4 hour fix that didn't leave me stranded is not a major failure in my mind. Is it a major component of the truck? Yes. Was I able to drive it just fine until I could get it in for service? Yes. Heck, I even got a loaner to run my errands when it was in the shop, so it's not like I was really out of a vehicle that long.

Maybe I'm just more open minded and flexible. Maybe you would feel the same way I do if it was your truck. I don't know.

 

[fordmantpw]

56K? Get back with us when you pass the 100k mark. That is MY standard.

Outrageous standards...no issues in 100k. Gotcha.

What if the failure occurred while you were pulling a case 580 backhoe down the interstate and you overheated the engine and blew the motor?

Then I would have blamed myself for not noticing that the coolant was getting low and stopping before I blew the engine.

Have the radiator leaks caused the radiator to blow up and lose all coolant immediately? No. They leak over time. My was a slow leak that leaked for a couple weeks before I had a chance to take it in. In that period of time it still had plenty in the overflow reservoir. That's how most failures have been, not like losing a radiator hose and dumping all the coolant without sufficient time to pull over.

 

[TheGoose]

My standard is 100k with no MAJOR issues. Radiator failure would qualify to me as major.

BTW: Seeing as how it went out at 26K looks like you're due for a new one any day. I wonder how you'll feel when it has to be replaced on your dime.

Outrageous standards...no issues in 100k. Gotcha.



Then I would have blamed myself for not noticing that the coolant was getting low and stopping before I blew the engine.

Have the radiator leaks caused the radiator to blow up and lose all coolant immediately? No. They leak over time. My was a slow leak that leaked for a couple weeks before I had a chance to take it in. In that period of time it still had plenty in the overflow reservoir. That's how most failures have been, not like losing a radiator hose and dumping all the coolant without sufficient time to pull over.

 

[TomSeller]

There are some really knowledgeable members on TBN, Diamond Pilot being one of them, that have strong feelings on certain topics. If one feels differently, if might be worthwhile to gloss over certain comments by those members if it does not line up with one's thoughts or style preference.

 

[sld]

My standard is 100k with no MAJOR issues. Radiator failure would qualify to me as major.

BTW: Seeing as how it went out at 26K looks like you're due for a new one any day. I wonder how you'll feel when it has to be replaced on your dime.

My 2007 F250 has 63k miles and about the only thing I have had happen is a burnt out tail light bulb. Stupid POS! Can't believe it.

 

[TheGoose]

My 2007 F250 has 63k miles and about the only thing I have had happen is a burnt out tail light bulb. Stupid POS! Can't believe it.

You probably let the blinker fluid get too low.

 

[Sprinklerman]

Tell them to go to the motor vehicles and find out the original owners and give them a call , see what they have to say .

 

[TomSeller]

You probably let the blinker fluid get too low.

Or did not let the electrons drain out of the wires if not driven on cold days.

 

[sld]

You probably let the blinker fluid get too low.

I wondered what that little dipstick by the bulb was for.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am a Ford guy, will not deny it. I do hate GM. Lost a job because of GM, 2 of my 4 GM vehicles were junk, lost money in the stock market when GM took the bailout, ect.

I have had good service from Ford plain and simple. Most of my friends drive Fords. Yes a few have GM stuff and some have had as good of luck as I have had with Ford.

As far as the 6.4 goes I know of no one that has had major issues. Yes, a few things here and there but nothing major. They all complain about the mpg, this is well known with a 6.4 until you pull the emissions crap and tune it then you will get 5 mpg or more better.

I have owned 3 Ford diesels. My 7.3 was great but it did seem to leak. My 2 6.0's were absolutely trouble free. My 06 F350 has 120,000 miles and not a single hiccup.

The new 6.7 seems to be the best yet. My buddy Kevin has a 2012 with 116,000 miles. It gets about 19 mpg without trying and pulls like a beast. It's been to the shop 3 times. Once for a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd. They replaced a shift solenoid. The second time he put 22 gallons of gas in it after a 16 hr shift at work. The drained it down, replaced the filters and it was ok. 2000 miles later it developed a miss. It was discovered the #3 injector was bad, probably because of gas in the system. That's it.

So other than his mistake of putting gas in a diesel it was in a bay once for a bad shift solenoid in the tranny.

Chris

 

[JJZ 109]

I am a Ford guy, will not deny it. I do hate GM. Lost a job because of GM, 2 of my 4 GM vehicles were junk, lost money in the stock market when GM took the bailout, ect.

I have had good service from Ford plain and simple. Most of my friends drive Fords. Yes a few have GM stuff and some have had as good of luck as I have had with Ford.

As far as the 6.4 goes I know of no one that has had major issues. Yes, a few things here and there but nothing major. They all complain about the mpg, this is well known with a 6.4 until you pull the emissions crap and tune it then you will get 5 mpg or more better.

I have owned 3 Ford diesels. My 7.3 was great but it did seem to leak. My 2 6.0's were absolutely trouble free. My 06 F350 has 120,000 miles and not a single hiccup.

The new 6.7 seems to be the best yet. My buddy Kevin has a 2012 with 116,000 miles. It gets about 19 mpg without trying and pulls like a beast. It's been to the shop 3 times. Once for a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd. They replaced a shift solenoid. The second time he put 22 gallons of gas in it after a 16 hr shift at work. The drained it down, replaced the filters and it was ok. 2000 miles later it developed a miss. It was discovered the #3 injector was bad, probably because of gas in the system. That's it.

So other than his mistake of putting gas in a diesel it was in a bay once for a bad shift solenoid in the tranny.

Chris

Good explanation, but you don't really owe it to anyone Chris. Far too many self proclaimed "experts" on the 'net. Nice to see you usually stepping above all the BS and negative posts.
People would be better off to say, "I don't like this product because I have had x, y or z experience with it." Instead, we get posts like, "my cousin's uncle's grandfather's barber had a lot of trouble with (insert product here), so therefore it's junk and I would never buy one". Those types of posts don't really tell me a whole lot except one person's hearsay experience. Which I don't place a lot of stock in.
Looking at my signature, it doesn't take a neurosurgeon to figure out my brand. However, I choose to skip over or ignore the posts of those who are always negative toward that brand. Internet disputes are futile and nothing is accomplished or solved by them. But by the same token, I also do not post to bash brands that are not Ford, Bobcat, Harley or whatever other brands I own. Especially the ones that I have not owned personally or had any experience with.

 

[PapaPerk]

I am a Ford guy, will not deny it. I do hate GM. Lost a job because of GM, 2 of my 4 GM vehicles were junk, lost money in the stock market when GM took the bailout, ect. I have had good service from Ford plain and simple. Most of my friends drive Fords. Yes a few have GM stuff and some have had as good of luck as I have had with Ford. As far as the 6.4 goes I know of no one that has had major issues. Yes, a few things here and there but nothing major. They all complain about the mpg, this is well known with a 6.4 until you pull the emissions crap and tune it then you will get 5 mpg or more better. I have owned 3 Ford diesels. My 7.3 was great but it did seem to leak. My 2 6.0's were absolutely trouble free. My 06 F350 has 120,000 miles and not a single hiccup. The new 6.7 seems to be the best yet. My buddy Kevin has a 2012 with 116,000 miles. It gets about 19 mpg without trying and pulls like a beast. It's been to the shop 3 times. Once for a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd. They replaced a shift solenoid. The second time he put 22 gallons of gas in it after a 16 hr shift at work. The drained it down, replaced the filters and it was ok. 2000 miles later it developed a miss. It was discovered the #3 injector was bad, probably because of gas in the system. That's it. So other than his mistake of putting gas in a diesel it was in a bay once for a bad shift solenoid in the tranny. Chris

I fully agree with you about GM. They are a lousy outfit....

 

[TheGoose]

I did that on my 6.0. I was fixing to fill up when a guy started talking to me and distracted me. I caught the mistake but accidentally put exactly 1 gallon of gas in the tank. I rolled the dice and added the other ~36 gallons of diesel. Truck ran fine. I made sure to fill from the 1/2 tank mark instead of fully empty, and then have emptied and filled up once more. That was 3-4 months ago. Still hoping nothing was damaged but not yet evident.

The only conclusion I can make is that you don't know many people running the 6.4 and I don't really think you should run around on TBN claiming that it was a good engine. We had one in our family that we finally got rid of due to the truck sliding off the road and getting totaled. Could not keep a radiator in it (among other problems). Had to have cab-off repairs twice. Several others I know have had major expensive problems, and even most pro-Ford guys will admit that the 6.4 is a problem child.

I am a Ford guy, will not deny it. I do hate GM. Lost a job because of GM, 2 of my 4 GM vehicles were junk, lost money in the stock market when GM took the bailout, ect.

I have had good service from Ford plain and simple. Most of my friends drive Fords. Yes a few have GM stuff and some have had as good of luck as I have had with Ford.

As far as the 6.4 goes I know of no one that has had major issues. Yes, a few things here and there but nothing major. They all complain about the mpg, this is well known with a 6.4 until you pull the emissions crap and tune it then you will get 5 mpg or more better.

I have owned 3 Ford diesels. My 7.3 was great but it did seem to leak. My 2 6.0's were absolutely trouble free. My 06 F350 has 120,000 miles and not a single hiccup.

The new 6.7 seems to be the best yet. My buddy Kevin has a 2012 with 116,000 miles. It gets about 19 mpg without trying and pulls like a beast. It's been to the shop 3 times. Once for a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd. They replaced a shift solenoid. The second time he put 22 gallons of gas in it after a 16 hr shift at work. The drained it down, replaced the filters and it was ok. 2000 miles later it developed a miss. It was discovered the #3 injector was bad, probably because of gas in the system. That's it.

So other than his mistake of putting gas in a diesel it was in a bay once for a bad shift solenoid in the tranny.

Chris

 

[dodge man]

An update, they are going to sell the truck. They got it back from the dealer and its suppose to be running OK. The dealers mechanic drove it and put 250 miles on it. Metal in the fuel filters but changing them seemed to fix it for now.

 

[fordmantpw]

That sucks that they are going to get stuck with it. I truly good dealer would step up to the plate and give them a good deal on a trade-in on a different one.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I did that on my 6.0. I was fixing to fill up when a guy started talking to me and distracted me. I caught the mistake but accidentally put exactly 1 gallon of gas in the tank. I rolled the dice and added the other ~36 gallons of diesel. Truck ran fine. I made sure to fill from the 1/2 tank mark instead of fully empty, and then have emptied and filled up once more. That was 3-4 months ago. Still hoping nothing was damaged but not yet evident.

The only conclusion I can make is that you don't know many people running the 6.4 and I don't really think you should run around on TBN claiming that it was a good engine. We had one in our family that we finally got rid of due to the truck sliding off the road and getting totaled. Could not keep a radiator in it (among other problems). Had to have cab-off repairs twice. Several others I know have had major expensive problems, and even most pro-Ford guys will admit that the 6.4 is a problem child.

All I know is 5 guys with the 6.4. None have had the cab off. Maybe lucky?

Chris

 

[dodge man]

DP, look at it this way, on average of all engines in light trucks and cars, what percentage of them would have major engine problems? I'd guess it would be less than 1 percent. So lets just assume the 6.4 Ford is a problem engine. What percentage of them would have major problems? Say its 5%. So you would have to know 20 people before on average one of them would have a problem. I know 1 person that owns a Ford 6.4 Powerstroke and its a problem for them, so that makes it 100% for me.

That's why you just can't go by the people you know to say its good or not good, just not enough of a test group.

 

[Diamondpilot]

DP, look at it this way, on average of all engines in light trucks and cars, what percentage of them would have major engine problems? I'd guess it would be less than 1 percent. So lets just assume the 6.4 Ford is a problem engine. What percentage of them would have major problems? Say its 5%. So you would have to know 20 people before on average one of them would have a problem. I know 1 person that owns a Ford 6.4 Powerstroke and its a problem for them, so that makes it 100% for me.

That's why you just can't go by the people you know to say its good or not good, just not enough of a test group.

Very good point. And once again Ford sells nearly twice as much diesel trucks in a year as Dodge and GM combined. This can be looked at two ways. Either they should have them perfected or the problems will seem much more frequent than other manufacturers.

The best thing Ford did is part ways in 2010 with International, the manufacturer of the 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4. My guess is in the next 10 Years Ram will part ways with Cummins and use an in house Fiat engine. This will only leave GM running an outsourced engine from Isuzu.

Chris

 

[dodge man]

I don't know about Ram and Cummins parting ways soon, it probably depends on how much influence Fiat has. They have had a 25 year old relationship so far. I'm pretty much an unabashed Dodge and Ram fan but stepping outside of my biased world, Cummins brings some people on board the Ram that wouldn't otherwise consider them.