Renze
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Eddie the water looks very muddy to me...
What's the expectancy for your soil type, will the dirt settle over time ?
What's the expectancy for your soil type, will the dirt settle over time ?
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Eddie, that lake is going great!EddieWalker said:
Let me say a few words concerning the pressure issue:
Pressure at zero flow will be exactly dependent on head rather than pipe size.
At flow, frictional losses come into play causing the pressure at the bottom end-the delivery end- to be less than that suggested by the actual physical head.
Flow velocity causes friction.
Flow is faster in small pipes to achieve any given GPM flow.
Thus small pipes deliver less pressure at flow than would a larger at same flow.
That said, your fuel flow velocity is probably low enuf that you have delivery pressure to spare.
On your lake filling you may have some puzzlement as time goes on. As the bottom and top surface area increase there is continued and increasing loss from both sides. It is easy to forget that the increasing head/pressure on the bottom continues to aggravate absorption losses. You may reach a point where it almost stops rising. Then it rains and fills up - then promptly goes back down!? It will take awhile to saturate the bottom to the prevailing head. Itll give you predictive fits!
I know it will be fun.
Larry
Glowplug
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I would imagine the muddy water would clear as it settles out as silt. I never realized how long it takes to fill a lake. It sure is a lot of water. We're all getting impatient. I'm sure you are as well Eddie.
Regarding the Pics of the spillway. . .I assume the water would be in the foreground. When the lake overflows would the water flow out into the wooded area? That what it looks like to me.
Regarding the Pics of the spillway. . .I assume the water would be in the foreground. When the lake overflows would the water flow out into the wooded area? That what it looks like to me.
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have_blue
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Glowplug said:
Usually the water clears up pretty good, but some fine clay tends to stay in suspension practically forever. Such additives as lime, gypsum, and alum can bond with the clay particles and make them heavier. That causes them to sink, and the water can become gin clear.
CurlyDave
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Eddie:
I don't remember if you have posted on this before or not, but you need a small motorboat for a lake that size.
Not only do you need it for lake maintenance, but when you start your RV park, if there is an accident in that lake and you don't have a boat on hand to go try to rescue someone, it could be a liability issue.
I just know that getting one will be a terrible hardship...
I don't remember if you have posted on this before or not, but you need a small motorboat for a lake that size.
Not only do you need it for lake maintenance, but when you start your RV park, if there is an accident in that lake and you don't have a boat on hand to go try to rescue someone, it could be a liability issue.
I just know that getting one will be a terrible hardship...
Yea, I remember from Eddie's pond project he mentioned the water following over the dirt causes it (dirt) to be electrically charged, and that it will stay that way (suspended in the water) until treated with gypsum or other things mentioned above. I wonder how much it would take? I guess you could just thro it behind the outboard motor to mix in a little.
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EddieWalker
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Renze,
I haven't had the water tested yet, so I'm not sure what I'll find. I have a small 3/4 acre pond that is in an area with lots of pine trees. From what I understand, pines grow in soil with high acid levels, and this type of soil is also prone to give water runoff an electric charge. I forget weahter it's positive or negative, but the result is the water will suspend smal particles in it for all time.
Gypsum, or sheetrock will nutralize this. When I was building my house, I put the sheetrock scraps into that pond and the results were almost imediate. Within days, the water started to clear.
Of course, clear water leads to alge. So right after I had clear water, I had green water. Give the choice, I'm gonna stick with brown water. hahahha
I'm not going to do anything to the water in the lake. What it turns out like is what I'll leave it as. Brown if fine with me, but it's way too soon to know.
Larry,
Thanks for the explination. I expect some fluctuation, but hope that the overal size of it will make it less noticable. Whatever happens, I'm pulling the pump out December 23rd regardless of how much water is in there. If I'm lucky, it will be full before than, but I have my doubts. We'll see.
Glowplug,
You have it correct. I was standing on the oposite shoreline of the overflow. I have a small penensula there with a few majestic trees that I'm hopeful will survive. It's what I call one of my kodak places. In the futre, I'll build a bridge across it and make it look real nice. With water under it, I'm thinking great photos!!!
have-blue,
I agree. It's just don't know if I want to spend money to create a bigger mess. I'm a firm believer in letting nature do it's own thing if I can. If it stays brown, that's fine. One thing I really want is to have some water lilies in there. My underwater islands are such that lilies wont be able to spread easily. I have at least four foot drop offs which should keep them contained.
I picutre the water to be brown with green lily pads and bright flowers. Red, yellow and white. Plus the green grass and trees surounding the lake should more than make up for the brown water.
If it stays brown?
Dave,
I have the family boat. My dad found it at a garage sale a few years ago for a price he couldn't walk away from. He's never used it, but my brother did for years. He bought a bigger boat, so it's mine now. It's a plastic, double hulled ten footer with a 4 hp engine. I also have another small engine for it, but both are in questionable running order.
The picture is of the boat with me rowing the kids aroudn our small pond.
Charlie,
From what i've read, the propeller on an outboard is the best way to mix poweder gypsum. You start out with a ton per acre and adjust from there. It seems like allot of work that I'm gonna pass on.
Thanks,
Eddie
I haven't had the water tested yet, so I'm not sure what I'll find. I have a small 3/4 acre pond that is in an area with lots of pine trees. From what I understand, pines grow in soil with high acid levels, and this type of soil is also prone to give water runoff an electric charge. I forget weahter it's positive or negative, but the result is the water will suspend smal particles in it for all time.
Gypsum, or sheetrock will nutralize this. When I was building my house, I put the sheetrock scraps into that pond and the results were almost imediate. Within days, the water started to clear.
Of course, clear water leads to alge. So right after I had clear water, I had green water. Give the choice, I'm gonna stick with brown water. hahahha
I'm not going to do anything to the water in the lake. What it turns out like is what I'll leave it as. Brown if fine with me, but it's way too soon to know.
Larry,
Thanks for the explination. I expect some fluctuation, but hope that the overal size of it will make it less noticable. Whatever happens, I'm pulling the pump out December 23rd regardless of how much water is in there. If I'm lucky, it will be full before than, but I have my doubts. We'll see.
Glowplug,
You have it correct. I was standing on the oposite shoreline of the overflow. I have a small penensula there with a few majestic trees that I'm hopeful will survive. It's what I call one of my kodak places. In the futre, I'll build a bridge across it and make it look real nice. With water under it, I'm thinking great photos!!!
have-blue,
I agree. It's just don't know if I want to spend money to create a bigger mess. I'm a firm believer in letting nature do it's own thing if I can. If it stays brown, that's fine. One thing I really want is to have some water lilies in there. My underwater islands are such that lilies wont be able to spread easily. I have at least four foot drop offs which should keep them contained.
I picutre the water to be brown with green lily pads and bright flowers. Red, yellow and white. Plus the green grass and trees surounding the lake should more than make up for the brown water.
If it stays brown?
Dave,
I have the family boat. My dad found it at a garage sale a few years ago for a price he couldn't walk away from. He's never used it, but my brother did for years. He bought a bigger boat, so it's mine now. It's a plastic, double hulled ten footer with a 4 hp engine. I also have another small engine for it, but both are in questionable running order.
The picture is of the boat with me rowing the kids aroudn our small pond.
Charlie,
From what i've read, the propeller on an outboard is the best way to mix poweder gypsum. You start out with a ton per acre and adjust from there. It seems like allot of work that I'm gonna pass on.
Thanks,
Eddie
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gemini5362
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Eddie I have a small pond that sits at the bottom of a hill that is full of LobLolly pines. They are thick enough that I would have to take a chain saw and clear a path to get my kubota B6200 ractor up that portion of the hill If I needed to. My water is so clear you can watch the fish swim around in it. The pond is not very deep it was solid rock under it. so the deepest part is about 6 feet deep. I dont know about pine trees and acidic rock but I do know the only time that my water is brown is after a big rain that washes dirt down into the pond and it is brown until for a couple of days.
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EddieWalker
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Gemini,
My reference to the pines was to point out that they grow in a certain soil on my land. That soil is usually red in color and has a high acid level. I know the water in my pond around the pines has the electrical charge because gypsum cleared it up.
The area around my lake doesn't have any pines. The ground is a diffrent color and the trees are all hardwoods. Mostly birch, but also oak and sweetgum, plus elm and all sorts of others.
I'm not sure I'll have the same issues with this water as I do with my pond. I've seen areas that were totally clear after a rain and others that were muddy. Now that it's all one body of water, it's got a muddy look to it, but not like my pond. There is some visability through it, just not much.
The water coming into it is clear, or at least it looks clear as it comes out of the hose.
Eddie
My reference to the pines was to point out that they grow in a certain soil on my land. That soil is usually red in color and has a high acid level. I know the water in my pond around the pines has the electrical charge because gypsum cleared it up.
The area around my lake doesn't have any pines. The ground is a diffrent color and the trees are all hardwoods. Mostly birch, but also oak and sweetgum, plus elm and all sorts of others.
I'm not sure I'll have the same issues with this water as I do with my pond. I've seen areas that were totally clear after a rain and others that were muddy. Now that it's all one body of water, it's got a muddy look to it, but not like my pond. There is some visability through it, just not much.
The water coming into it is clear, or at least it looks clear as it comes out of the hose.
Eddie
CurlyDave
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The water coming into it is clear, or at least it looks clear as it comes out of the hose.
I know my well water looks perfectly clear coming out of a hose, but if I catch it in a plastic bottle, I can see significant turbidity. Since I have only pumped a few hundred gallons out of it since it was drilled, I am hoping it will clear up. Otherwise I see a whole-house filter in my future.
If I had a choice for your lake, I would prefer brown to algae green, as you have indicated.
If you have ever been to Clear Lake in California, you will see massive algae blooms in the summer. This is the most misnamed body of water in the the world. It is a poisonous-looking green, and you can only see 2-3" below the surface.
My yellow Lab went in white and came out green, I had to hose her off before I could let her in the car.
I know my well water looks perfectly clear coming out of a hose, but if I catch it in a plastic bottle, I can see significant turbidity. Since I have only pumped a few hundred gallons out of it since it was drilled, I am hoping it will clear up. Otherwise I see a whole-house filter in my future.
If I had a choice for your lake, I would prefer brown to algae green, as you have indicated.
If you have ever been to Clear Lake in California, you will see massive algae blooms in the summer. This is the most misnamed body of water in the the world. It is a poisonous-looking green, and you can only see 2-3" below the surface.
My yellow Lab went in white and came out green, I had to hose her off before I could let her in the car.
