Comparison CTV TO HST COMPARISON

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bironacad

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I just got a quote on a Boomer 3040 tractor with a factory CAB and was told the cab model only comes with the CTV transmission. Being new to this I would like to know how the two transmissions differ in operation and what are the Pros and Cons. I have an HST transmission on my Cub Cadet but have never owned something with a Constant Velocity Transmission.

Thanks in advance!
 
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I have a HST tractor(Kubota) really like it compared to gear;haven't used the CVT tractors but:recently purchased a 2010 Subaru with the CVT and found it amazing.This is fairly new in tractors,check the NH forum for new users.I know on the Subaru forums a lot of people were concerned about durability.......time will tell but I am confident.
 
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I had a Subaru Justy with CVT about 20 years ago IIRC. the advantage of CVT is that it always uses the "gearing" to give you maximum torque. So it should be great on a tractor. Snowmobiles use CVT and it works wonderfully in that application. How durable it is I can't say.
 
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You might want to look at some of the other posts here about the cvt transmission and the issues starting to surface with a breakout while pushing heavy loads.
 
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You might want to look at some of the other posts here about the cvt transmission and the issues starting to surface with a breakout while pushing heavy loads.

Would you please explain?

I did a quick search and couldn't find an issue pushing heavy loads. What do you mean by breakout?
 
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ive ran the HST tranny for 3 months an i love it.i dont know anything about the CTV tranny.i to have a kubota.
 
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Sold my hydro and bought a CVT, the only problem with my CVT is it took some time to get used to. The CVT puts more power to the ground than a hydro in my opionion. Also seems to be much better on fuel. The New Holland cab is AWSOME! I don't think I'll be going back to a hydro anytime soon. Hope this helps.
 
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You might want to look at some of the other posts here about the cvt transmission and the issues starting to surface with a breakout while pushing heavy loads.

Most concerns vanish with proper operator training, transmission settings to fit the tasks, and a proper calibration of the transmission at predelivery. Dealers that rely on the 'quick and dirty' factory transmission calibration will have dissatisfied customers.
 
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Sold my hydro and bought a CVT, the only problem with my CVT is it took some time to get used to. The CVT puts more power to the ground than a hydro in my opionion. Also seems to be much better on fuel. The New Holland cab is AWSOME! I don't think I'll be going back to a hydro anytime soon. Hope this helps.

Is there a significant cost differential between HST and CVT?
 
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I just got a quote on a Boomer 3040 tractor with a factory CAB and was told the cab model only comes with the CTV transmission. Being new to this I would like to know how the two transmissions differ in operation and what are the Pros and Cons. I have an HST transmission on my Cub Cadet but have never owned something with a Constant Velocity Transmission.

Thanks in advance!

There are some folks that post here at TBN who can explain in technical detail how both HST and CVT transmissions work. I can't give you all those details, but here's a summary that might help you get started, at least.
1. HST... Instead of using a series of transmission gears and shafts to transfer force from the engine to the drive wheels like a standard gear setup, the HST drive uses the engine to drive a hydraulic pump which feeds fluid to a hydraulic motor that makes the wheels turn. The advantages: clutch is no longer required, continuously variable "gear ratios" by using a simple foot pedal control valve to control the flow from pump to motor, easy changing from forward to reverse. The disadvantages: the hydraulics aren't as mechanically efficient as a gear drive so some power is lost, same issue means it's not the best for extensive heavy tillage work, and the whole thing is more complicated than an old fashioned gearbox.
2. CVT... An innovative gearbox design that achieves the same continuously variable gear ratio advantages of HST using mechanical means. Supposedly operates with higher mechanical efficiency than HST.
Don't know enough to comment on disadvantages.

HST has been in wide scale use in tractors for more than 30 years and seems to be basically as reliable as conventional gearbox transmissions. Just my opinion, but each depends more on how it's used than one being inherently better than the other. CVT is more recent, particularly in smaller equipment, and does not yet seem to be at the same stage of technological maturity (again, just an opinion... others may not agree). It seems to be a promising new approach, but there may be some teething issues still being worked out. HST's are probably the most common setup in tractors under 60hp today and are widely available from the leading manufacturers; I think NH is the only manufacturer with a compact CVT tractor so far.

I'd invite you to check out both types and come back to TBN with your observations. I'm sure that would bring on a lengthy, animated thread everyone would enjoy and learn from. And good luck with your tractor shopping adventure!
 
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Is there a significant cost differential between HST and CVT?

Not sure on price difference, the CVT is all I could get with a cab.
 
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I appreciate the information, I will be test driving both before making a choice. My cousin who designs and makes hydraulic adapters says I should also check out the comparable JD. I am looking at MF 1643 and NH 3040 both with cabs. I have looked at the Kubota, MF and the New Holland with the New Holland and MF having very competitve pricing and now I have the CVT question with the NH. Will be doing some more reading and tire kicking now, lol.

Thanks
 
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The hydro is so simple to control ground speed and direction. I would like to think the CVT controls speed simply, but how does it change direction? A simple push on the pedal backwards like the hst? Philip.
 
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The hydro is so simple to control ground speed and direction. I would like to think the CVT controls speed simply, but how does it change direction? A simple push on the pedal backwards like the hst? Philip.

On the Farmall 50 and New Holland 3045 I test drove there is a lever next to the steering wheel, forward/reverse.

As far as the CVT tranny goes I hated it. It was the sole reason I walked away from the Farmall/NH line. To bad because their cabs are tops in the market IMO.
 
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I test drove there is a lever next to the steering wheel, forward/revers.

That's not for me, I will stick with my hydro pedal for forward and reverse. Philip.
 
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That's not for me, I will stick with my hydro pedal for forward and reverse. Philip.

Me too; now if they ever put one in the M Series...
 
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We have had this discussion here before. Someone with better searching luck than me can probably find it. There was a link to a manufacturer (Fendt?) that showed how it works. It is mechanically absolutely nothing like a snowmobile or car CVT. They are supposed to be much more efficient at putting power to the ground than HST. I'm sure there is a learning curve to the operation. I lurk over at AGTALK and once operators catch on to it, they usually love it.

Kim
 
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I own that tractor you are talking about. The 3040 with cab.
I have found that you have to have the hand throttle up and use 2nd gear the most when on hills. 1st if you are hitting a good grade. I have used 3rd, but is pretty much useless unless you are on level ground. On the flat I leave the hand throttle at idle.
I have not pulled a heavy load, but did pull an F-150 buried to its frame out of the snow. No problems.
I found that if you are going up a hill you have to feather the foot throttle. The tractor will act like it is losing power and you have to back off the throttle, let the RPM's come up and then proceed with more throttle. I will say that the hills I am talking about are 10-15% grades. So fairly steep.

In all I love the tractor except for when I have the front blower going it will use about a gallon every 45 minutes or so. The heater is exceptional for all the glass in the cab and there are no blind spots to speak of.

I have never owed an HST but rented them before and I feel they are a little better tranny, but I will take the New Holland.
 
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That's not for me, I will stick with my hydro pedal for forward and reverse. Philip.

That answers that question,
I would have to agree, nothing can compare to the instant direction change when doing grading work with the loader. IMHO
James K0UA
 

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