Great points and firsthand info. The trench is definitely something I want to do.I caught the County Line brand subsoiler on sale at TSC for about $149. I just looked and the current price is $349, more than double what I paid. I needed to cut a trench through hard clay/rocky soil for a water line to my new shop. That would have taken a week to do by hand, using pick-axe and shovel. 10 minutes I had the cut made, an hour later, it was cleaned out and I was laying pipe in it.
Folks saying you need weight on it are completely wrong, unless you put it on the tractor backward. The angle of the chisel point will make it hog right down into the soil as deep as you want to let it go and WILL stall a LX2610SU if you let it go deep enough. It'll sink all the way to the bottom of the 3-point lift travel in a few feet. I did it just to see and that almost left me with a subsoiler for a lawn ornament. It was hard to get it back out because I apparently hooked it under a rather large rock. Multiple passes work wonderfully to make the trench as wide as you want. I have a stump bucket in combination with the subsoiler that I use if I do a ditching project for diverting water in my yard on a temporary basis until I figure out what I need to do for drainage. Those two together are also an inexpensive option for small to medium stump removal too. The subsoiler will happily break roots and hook small stumps to pull them right out of the ground. It saves some hard pushing and digging that's necessary on larger stumps and may completely eliminate the need for pulling on them with chains. YMMV. I won't claim I do pretty work with it, but it sure makes the manual part of the landscaping a lot easier if you can actually move the clay.
To my untrained eye, it looks like the middle buster and subsoiler have a different angle for the point. In the TSC website photos, the subsoiler chisel appears to be tilted on a much steeper angle. But looking at them at the store, I could barely detect any difference in the frame. The only reason I can think it would be is that the subsoiler chisel is designed to go deeper and doesn't have near the cross section of the buster. A buster is going to put a lot more force on that frame than a chisel point simply because it's a lot wider. The plowshare is probably going to be the weakest point of the buster. Like some say, maybe get the buster and make your own chisel point from a piece of 1/2" x 3" steel bar stock or truck spring. I'm already considering some specialty points to go on mine.
For the price, the subsoiler is going to be a lot more useful than you think. Check around for used stuff. A good subsoiler is next to impossible to break or bend. No rotating parts. The only maintenance points are the pins and the chisel point itself. The chisel point can actually be reversed or replaced with something like a piece of truck spring.
There isn't that much back fill as you dig. I cut the ears off my MB to make the trench narrower and easier to work manually (taking less pulling power requirement for my clay soil). I just lay whatever in the trench and using a hoe move clods around so that the whatever is at the bottom of the trench and if the clod falls back over it so be it....then come back with your grader blade and cover it back up and next trip down the trench run your tractor tire(s) down the middle of it when finished....done deal.So should I be looking for something different? My intention would be to use it for basic trenching for electrical and water pipes among other things.
I know I'll have to shovel out but that is ok. Could be a simpler solution than renting trenchers.
I have a box blade and a rear grader blade so covered there.
Thanks for the info.
You better at least paint your Kaboty yeller because a bucket up front doesn't qulify a 50 horse utility tractor to perform yellow tractor work.I have a bottom area that has a lot of trash trees on it and I don't want to use a bulldozer for the project. My plan is to basically make a box with it around the trees that I want to remove and then push them over with my loader bucket. I am using a Kubota MX5100 4WD tractor with a 3 pt. hitch that will handle cat I and cat II attachments.
I have the same TSC subsoiler and bent it on a large root. Used on a 25 HP LS XG3025.I caught the County Line brand subsoiler on sale at TSC for about $149. I just looked and the current price is $349, more than double what I paid. I needed to cut a trench through hard clay/rocky soil for a water line to my new shop. That would have taken a week to do by hand, using pick-axe and shovel. 10 minutes I had the cut made, an hour later, it was cleaned out and I was laying pipe in it.
Folks saying you need weight on it are completely wrong, unless you put it on the tractor backward. The angle of the chisel point will make it hog right down into the soil as deep as you want to let it go and WILL stall a LX2610SU if you let it go deep enough. It'll sink all the way to the bottom of the 3-point lift travel in a few feet. I did it just to see and that almost left me with a subsoiler for a lawn ornament. It was hard to get it back out because I apparently hooked it under a rather large rock. Multiple passes work wonderfully to make the trench as wide as you want. I have a stump bucket in combination with the subsoiler that I use if I do a ditching project for diverting water in my yard on a temporary basis until I figure out what I need to do for drainage. Those two together are also an inexpensive option for small to medium stump removal too. The subsoiler will happily break roots and hook small stumps to pull them right out of the ground. It saves some hard pushing and digging that's necessary on larger stumps and may completely eliminate the need for pulling on them with chains. YMMV. I won't claim I do pretty work with it, but it sure makes the manual part of the landscaping a lot easier if you can actually move the clay.
To my untrained eye, it looks like the middle buster and subsoiler have a different angle for the point. In the TSC website photos, the subsoiler chisel appears to be tilted on a much steeper angle. But looking at them at the store, I could barely detect any difference in the frame. The only reason I can think it would be is that the subsoiler chisel is designed to go deeper and doesn't have near the cross section of the buster. A buster is going to put a lot more force on that frame than a chisel point simply because it's a lot wider. The plowshare is probably going to be the weakest point of the buster. Like some say, maybe get the buster and make your own chisel point from a piece of 1/2" x 3" steel bar stock or truck spring. I'm already considering some specialty points to go on mine.
For the price, the subsoiler is going to be a lot more useful than you think. Check around for used stuff. A good subsoiler is next to impossible to break or bend. No rotating parts. The only maintenance points are the pins and the chisel point itself. The chisel point can actually be reversed or replaced with something like a piece of truck spring.
Something like this would work for that if your soil isn't too rocky. Agri Supply used to sell them and still have the photos attached to the subsoiler but the item number link is dead. Hardacrefarm.com sells it but the price is higher than I remember, but then what isn't. 3 Point Hitch Pipe Line & Cable Layer Attachment-Water Electric - HardacrefarmI could see this getting a lot of use as a friend does water and conduit runs for things like pump houses in pastures.
I have an area I am going to plant a hedge row. It is about 50 feet long so I think it will be about 15 plants/shrubs.
I was thinking about using a subsoiler to dig out a basic trench to help in planting rather than digging 15 holes in relatively tough ground.
Does this sound like a good use or would there be something else to use that is not a large expense?
I could see this getting a lot of use as a friend does water and conduit runs for things like pump houses in pastures.
If I buy new what is a good brand? What to look for?