Is TBN too "family friendly" for your tastes?

woodchuckie · Nov 7, 2007

It's All In The Eye Of The Beholder.

I once saw a great little video on a rimfire web site. It showed a man skinning a squirrel using the method where you step on the tail and he had that squirrel completly cleaned in 20 seconds.
I posted the link in a fourm about squirrel dog hunting and it was well received by that very Family Friendly site, including all the Pops teaching their Grandchildren how to hunt.
I also posted the link on a book discussion forum. Fantasy books full of material not suitable for any child of mine under 18 years. That post didn't last 15 minutes before it was taken off for being to explicit.

WTA · Nov 7, 2007

That must have sucked too.
See, all I have is this little farm and my small business working on mostly guns for the military. Some military rifles owned by civilians too. Legally owned ones.
We just aren't big enough to have done anything about it except crawl under a rock untill it blew over. It hasn't blown over realy though. I can't afford a lawyer to go to another state and sue him. I wish I could! We are keeping in close contact with a federal law enforcement agency about it though. Just hoping they will find enough reason to take action soon. I'm not holding my breath though.

I grew up in the south and for all of my life have either been in the military or been a military dependent. All my life I have been taught to open doors for ladies, be polite in public and respect my elders. All that golden rule stuff.

It's amazing how so many people in this country either are not taught those values or just forget them when online.
I haven't been a member of this forum for very long. In fact for more than 6 months my chest hurt even looking at the computer. I'm finally getting better that way and I bought a new New Holland tractor a few months ago so I came here looking for advice on things. The people here are great and really have been helpful. This is how a PUBLIC forum should be. This place is a model that others should follow from what I have seen.

Woodchuckie: it sounds like you got caught by the political correctness crowd. I hate that garbage. I am the most un PC person alive probably. Things like skinning that squirrel are great things to know for us country people. In my business most people judge accuracy of a rifle in minutes of angle. I prefer to call it minutes of prairie dog.
A one MOP rifle can hit a prairie dog at 200 yards roughly. Mos of the sniper rifles I build can easily do it at 600 yards. Mine will do it at 800. I've had tree huggers around here complain about me shooting prairie dogs too. It's a lot better to most of us country people though to have dead prairie dogs than a horse with a broke leg. Some people just have their priorities backwards.

dmccarty · Nov 7, 2007

There is a kayaking discussion group that had to go private because of one particular person. This guy was selling a "safety" product and if you did not agree that his item was the best thing in the world you quickly where called a killer, moron, etc. The guy is a nut. On the list usually his name is not mentioned, just a nickname, out of fear that he will some how show up in the list.

This guy is still out there in Internet Land trying to save the world.

WTA experience is pretty bad. The kayak guy is still out there ranting and raving. He did cause some business people some problems but nothing like what WTA describes.

What is funny is that if you mention G U N S on the kayak site its almost always censored since they are beyond PC. When security issues of being in the back country or city for that matter pop up, mentioning G U N S will get the post deleted quickly. I think if I mentioned grease guns they would delete the post. Not real rational.

I wish the networks would be Family Friendly until 9:00pm. As an adult with no kids the stuff on TV just did not bother me. But now that we have kids hearing commercials about ED, condoms, STDs, followed by ads telling me that as a parent I need to talk to my kids about certain subjects, it really burns my fanny. My kid asked me what a word meant the other day. No way in heck I heard that word when I was her age. She heard it at school I'm sure but what prompted the question was a commercial using the word.

Media and TV in general has aimed at the lowest behavior and it brings everyone down. What is being broadcast as acceptable behavior even by the Disney channels is bad. Even if a parent junks the TV, the other kids at school still are watching. There is no escape from this mess.

So keep TBN Family Friendly. That takes careful censorship. So be it. I might not like a post or thread being censored but I don't want this place to cycle out of control like some many other places. A little control is required otherwise the nuts take over.

Later,
Dan

WTA · Nov 7, 2007

I am real tired of everything I see on TV too. Having lived in other countries, most much more liberal than here, I think I have seen it all on TV but here in Lubbock where you can't even drink a beer in your front yard for fear of being arrested, you would think our kids would be safe from things like you mention.

Did you know anything firearms related is by default automatically blocked by the parental controls in the new version of zone alarm? The things you mentioned are not.

I'm not a gun nut but I do like shooting and hunting and I make a living working on them for the boys that are serving in Iraq and other places. I'd do it for free if I didn't have to put food on the table. It's sad when guns are demonized more than the commercials I have to keep scrambling for the remote for. I hate having to explain those things to my kid.

What I find really amazing is the government will not even talk about enforcing any kind of standards of conduct on the internet but you can go to jail in some states, like here, for letting your kid watch a rated R movie.
I'm all for freedom of speech but it has to have it's limits when people abuse that right all too often.

Every day I get closer and closer to joining the Amish. Really. Those people figured it out long before we did.

Spiveyman · Nov 7, 2007

This is a really great discussion. I appreciate seeing so many people come out in defense of the family aspect of this forum. It gives me hope for this country afterall.

WTA, I really hate that you have been through such stuff with that guy. Especially when you are providing a service to our military. You should get a medal, not slander.

I'm not a gun "nut" so-to-speak, but I do thoroughly enjoy shooting. One thing I truly appreciate about this site is that they do permit references to gun (all legal and tasteful) within the bounds of the general rules. To a southern boy (yes KY is southern) guns are as much a part of life as fried chicken, grits, and tea (so sweet it hangs on the edge of your glass like honey).

As for the TV thing, have you ever heard of the TV Guardian? We got one 3 years ago when we had our first baby. That thing is great for the kids (kind of annoying for us) but it silences many of the things you would not want them to hear. There are different settings. It's not perfect, but we are glad we have it. That being said, we are very careful in what we let our kids watch. Usually its a movie we own so that we know exactly what's in it.

Thanks to all the folks who do keep this forum so family friendly. I am getting an even better appreciation for it. This is the only forum I've really used other than about 2 posts on pondboss. Guess I got lucky finding a good one.

Bird · Nov 7, 2007

Folks, this has been an interesting thread, but please don't forget that politics and religion are prohibited topics, and some posts are wandering awfully close.

And believe it or not, I really do not like to remove or edit anyone else's posts.

MossRoad · Nov 7, 2007

Well, I have to admit that I'm a big fan of low brow humor, foul language and other things non-mentionable.

While a large vocabulary is impressive, a well chosen string of one syllable words at the precise place and time can move mountains... or stop elephants.

Just not here, in public, at home, church, friends' houses, etc....

Farmwithjunk · Nov 7, 2007

MossRoad said:
Well, I have to admit that I'm a big fan of low brow humor, foul language and other things non-mentionable.

While a large vocabulary is impressive, a well chosen string of one syllable words at the precise place and time can move mountains... or stop elephants.

Just not here, in public, at home, church, friends' houses, etc....

There is a time and a place for EVERYTHING. I was made painfully aware of that fact at age 13 when I uttered a one-syllable expletive in front of my mother. She was 5' tall, maybe 120 pounds. I was already 6' tall and about 175 lbs by then. She also made me aware of how the David vs. Goliath thing coulda been true.

To this day, 47 years later, I still won't say "that word" without making absolutely certain NO ONES mother is with-in earshot. As mom dealt out my punishment, I kept hearing one word over and over. RESPECT.

WTA · Nov 7, 2007

I'll stay off the politics. Sorry about that. I forgot that one is against the rules. I don't blame you really. It's a good rule.

We have zone alarm on our computers with the parental controls turned up pretty restrictive. It's passworded too so the kids can't get through it. Same with the TV. passwords and parental controls. Our exchange student hates it but he'll live.

I was in the Navy for the first half of my career, Army the second half and my father is a lifer Marine so you can imagine the language I was exposed to and use quite often. One thing I learned though a long time ago was that people usually don't appreciate it in public so I keep it to myself most of the time. Unless I'm mad then I let loose but I do try not to yell at least.

You might think this is weird too but even before it was made illegal to smoke in public almost everywhere I still went outside to do it. Out of respect for the people around me. I know it's a bad habit but a guys got to destress somehow.

Bird · Nov 7, 2007

so you can imagine the language I was exposed to and use quite often

Many things change in life. I remember hearing my Dad say "Heck" once when I was about 17. Now I know, in this day and age, it's hard to believe but that was the closest I ever heard either of my parents come to a cuss word.

But then I was a cop for nearly 25 years. 'Nuff said.

'Bota Fan · Nov 7, 2007

Bird said:
But then I was a cop for nearly 25 years. 'Nuff said.

Is that where all your wisdom comes from? I'm having a really hard time imagining you being "scolded" by Muhammad or anyone else for anything you would post here.

I'll admit I'm still in the shallow end of this pool, so I don't know everything that has gone on in the years before, but you're always very friendly and level-headed. I just hope I have the honor of drinking a cup of coffee with you some day. It would be a great treat.

Bird · Nov 7, 2007

Thanks for the kind words and I do try to be friendly and level headed, but unfortunately, I can't claim to be perfect or always succeed.

Hakim · Nov 7, 2007

Bird said:
I remember hearing my Dad say "Heck" once when I was about 17. ..that was the closest I ever heard either of my parents come to a cuss word.

My grandmother once said "pshaw" in front of me. That's the "worst" language she ever used, I am fairly certain.

_RaT_ · Nov 7, 2007

Bird said:
Thanks for the kind words and I do try to be friendly and level headed, but unfortunately, I can't claim to be perfect or always succeed.

Bird you are TBN to me. (no offense Muhammad or Hakim). Had some of the old timers like Harv and MChalkey stuck around, I would probably visit here a bit more. I had my spats with Amsoil Mike, Cowboydoc and old Trescrows, but in some ways it was more of a maturing process for me then anything. They were about as dogmatic as any TBN member could be. You Mr Bird never stepped on toes or had a bad thought in your head that I ever read or could detect. I am sure there were times you would have but your maturity won out. Thanks Bird, you have been the greatest contributer to TBN. PS, remember when I corrected you on TnT. You kept calling it top and tip and I said NO, its top and tilt! RaT AKA Paddock back in 1999 and 2000.

Bird · Nov 7, 2007

Yep, RaT, I used the wrong words when I was trying to do the top 'n tilt and I'd forgotten that it was you who corrected me. The trouble is that even now, not even the moderators can change or edit the title of a post or thread. And there are valid reasons for that, but it means that my post still has the wrong title.

And yes sir, I, too, miss the guys you named. They were very helpful to me and I learned a lot from them. Incidentally, you know that eagle in my signature was done by Harv.

_RaT_ · Nov 7, 2007

Bird said:
Yep, RaT, I used the wrong words when I was trying to do the top 'n tilt and I'd forgotten that it was you who corrected me. The trouble is that even now, not even the moderators can change or edit the title of a post or thread. And there are valid reasons for that, but it means that my post still has the wrong title. And yes sir, I, too, miss the guys you named. They were very helpful to me and I learned a lot from them. Incidentally, you know that eagle in my signature was done by Harv.

I think that Harv's Christmas video should be a sticky this time of year. Harv had so much computer savy especially compared to me. To think he's now in the Landromat business just down the road from me and RobertN. I would love to stop by and see him.

MossRoad · Nov 7, 2007

Bird said:
Many things change in life. I remember hearing my Dad say "Heck" once when I was about 17. Now I know, in this day and age, it's hard to believe but that was the closest I ever heard either of my parents come to a cuss word.

But then I was a cop for nearly 25 years. 'Nuff said.

That's not so hard to believe, Bird. The worst thing I ever heard my dad say was "Gosh dang it" and once I heard my mom say "Oh h*ll". That's it.

When my oldest daughter was in 5th or 6th grade she came up to me one day and said, "Dad. I want to start cussing." I replied "What the $$%^@# do you want to do that for?" She just looked at me in shock for a few minutes. Then we both started laughing. I told her if she ever wanted to start cussing, she could do it with me, in a place where no one could here us, and that if I ever heard her say anything in public, she was doomed. I also told her the words she was never to speak and she agreed. So, maybe twice a year, we say a few bad words, laugh about it and it is over. It took the mystery out of it for her and she realizes it has no place in public.

MossRoad · Nov 7, 2007

_RaT_ said:
I think that Harv's Christmas video should be a sticky this time of year.

You can bet it will be popping up again soon. My kids love it and ask to see it around Christmas each year. That poor little tractor...

Bird · Nov 7, 2007

_RaT_ said:
I think that Harv's Christmas video should be a sticky this time of year. Harv had so much computer savy especially compared to me. To think he's now in the Landromat business just down the road from me and RobertN. I would love to stop by and see him.

When Harv was building that laundromat, he and I exchanged not only PMs on TBN, but e-mails several times. And he sent me pictures of it as it was being built, but then we lost contact. The last time I sent him an e-mail, I never got a response. So I sure hope he and his family are OK. I still have the e-mail address he was using back then, don't know whether he's changed it or not, but I guess I need to try it again. If you stop by and see him, let me know.