L2800 Position Control (Jerky?)

[teg]

Yea, I am very happy with the new valves (replaced shortly before the "war-rant-ee" ran out.) so much so, (I've said this before) would have been happy to have paid some money for them... I used a boompole several times unloading 500 lbs things out of my trailer... this was NOT safe with the old valves. I thought the rear end of my tractor was going to snap off.

As for the videos, I could not turn the knob under the seat by hand (got video of that too) but I think it had NO effect what so ever and the video shows that... darn, why didn't I post those before I left . Teg

I don't know anything about Draft control...

 

[emmy71]

Also these.

Terry

 

[canoetrpr]

I didn't find that my lowering speed knob made any difference. I haven't bothered playing with it since my valve was replaced since it was adequate for my needs once it was replaced.

I really don't get how the lowering speed knob affects the smoothness of raising it.

One way or the other, I believe the proper way for this or any other tractor is that the 3 PT should be smooth - with a load that is reasonable on the 3 PT. That, or Kubota should clearly point out this as a differentiating factor between the 'Economy' L and 'Grand L' series.

I can't figure out if my SLR can do videos or not like my broken point and shoot used to be able to or I would post what my 3 PT is like with the replaced valve.

 

[canoetrpr]

Oh yeah.. some thing you want to be careful about... be careful about what you post here.

The local Kubota warranty service rep figured out which customer I might have been since he was involved in my valve replacement - based on the content of the posts and the location in my profile. On another issue (PTO cams) he forwarded my posts to my selling dealer, identifying me. He also added a nugget of information pointing out that I was dealing with another dealer - which he had access to because I tried to get the PTO replacement done through an alternative dealer - and the same guy was the warranty rep there as well.

I never named my selling dealer in my posts as per etiquette but did point out that they were incompetent (over the valve and other issues). I had the dealer calling me at work and reaming me over the phone and threatening me with legal action for 'slander' - without realizing that none of the posts contained either my identity nor the dealers

So apparently, Kubota service reps have enough time and interest to read these forums but not enough to REALLY solve problems. I strongly suspect that TBNers like us are just an irritant to them and they would rather revert to a world where consumers were at the mercy of the dealer and companies they dealt with for knowledge about problems.

I'm not suggesting that anything anyone is saying here is incorrect. However, bear in mind that it can be used against you in the case of a 'goodwill' type of warranty repair.

Overall I think Kubota's products have a fantastic reputation but I think the company, at least the Canadian company, seems to operate more like a mom and pop shop, without concerns for etiquette or customer satisfaction. That is easy to do when their products are as good as there are because customers keep coming back regardless.

 

[jeconn]

Canoe or Emmy what's your opinion on draft control fixing our problem? I really don't care if my incompetent dealer knows who I am. What makes me think he is going to do any warranty work since he won't even fix this!! Did I mention that I'm not a satisfied customer? But then again, who cares? I'm just one customer. My tractor is 3 months old and only has 7 hrs on it now. It makes me mad when I use it because I feel like I am being taken by Kubota and my dealer, so I don't even want to get on it. In Kubotas defense, It does look good.

 

[Harvest Moon]

Harvest Moon, I definitely was not calling anyone a liar. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

No, jeconn... it's just me on a rant. I never thought you were calling anyone a lier and never meant to imply otherwise.

emmy71 beat me to it but Draft control is an option and it hasn't had the problem valves that the non draft tractors have had when factory installed. My somewhat older parts book indicates valve 31351-39604 from the start, when draft is included.

I don't know if this has changed since the latest position control valve "upgrade" but I'd like to. I can't see the new valve with a draft system.

teg's videos can tell/show us a lot next to Toy Camry's if he sets up a comparable scenario and he has valve 31351-39604.

teg, do you have any records confirming which valve you were upgraded to? I'm guessing at the time it would have been valve 31351-39604.

Toy Camry posted earlier that he has valve YR90800102 installed.

Any of you guys out there who have been upgraded and are happy... let us know what valve was used if you can. Thanks.

 

[canoetrpr]

I did not actually know that draft control was an option on the L3400. Thought it was only a L4400 option.

No clue about whether draft control will fix your problems or not.

I wish I had a work order around that told me the part # my valve was replaced with. I will look around.

You guys have also convinced me to look around on craigslist for a little point and shoot camera like I used to have to make little videos easily.

 

[emmy71]

Canoe or Emmy what's your opinion on draft control fixing our problem? I really don't care if my incompetent dealer knows who I am. What makes me think he is going to do any warranty work since he won't even fix this!! Did I mention that I'm not a satisfied customer? But then again, who cares? I'm just one customer. My tractor is 3 months old and only has 7 hrs on it now. It makes me mad when I use it because I feel like I am being taken by Kubota and my dealer, so I don't even want to get on it. In Kubotas defense, It does look good.

I have no idea if the draft control valve will fix the problem, but I believe that is the same part number that is supposed to be the smooth one. My tractor was delievered in 2006 and the hitch seems somewhat jumpy, however I only use it with mowers and rotary cutters so I am either all the way up or all the way down.

Terry

 

[teg]

I didn't get any paperwork from my dealer... just the keys and an extra top link since when I dropped it off... I didn't want anyone to steal mine.

I have a phd that would be easy to mount and can fill a bucket with water... No problem...

 

[GMtb42]

Didn't get paperwork back with mine either , but does raise a lot smoother and can be used with good results .
A one inch valve is ridiculous , and the 1/4" while ok is still not what I would expect from a company with a reputation like Kubota's .
Let me know there is a "upgrade" at time of purchase not after !

 

[jeconn]

I got a call tonight from a guy at Kubota and he asked about my problem. I really didn't care to talk with him because I new he was going to give me the same story. Well he asked if I was still willing to upgrade to the 3240 for the $1300 that I agreed on. I told him yes if I didn't have to give them my new box blade also. (My dealer didn't mention to him that he wanted my box blade along with the $1300.) He said he will have the dealer call me tomorrow to work out the details. Well right now I have a bad taste in my mouth about Kubota and my dealer so I really don't think they will do what they say. If they make this right I will stand behind Kubota again. I will let you know what happens tomorrow. Keeping my fingers crossed but not getting my hopes up.

 

[Harvest Moon]

jeconn, cut half the bull right up front by saying "if you're serious then I want to work with a different dealer"

I'd take it, $1300 is nothing compared to what you'll loose a few years from now when you decide to do the same upgrade anyway... unless you love everything else about your machine.

You could insist on down grade to the previous position control valve, it's pretty likely you'd get the same hitch performance posted in teg's videos if you got the same valve teg upgraded to: post #58:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/.../106517-l2800-standard-tractor-3-point-6.html

Those Grand L's sure are nice, I know what I'd do with that offer.

 

[teg]

That's a good offer... but everyone knows money doesn't grow on trees, hope you can swing it.

I uploaded some more videos but it doesn't show anything that you have not seen before. Older vs. New (2007-ish) valves.

YouTube - turnsem

Harvest Moon, any word when your new valve should come in?

 

[canoetrpr]

jeconn - TAKE the offer! Don't make me come down to NC and beat your a#%.

Do one better than that. Pay an extra $500-600 on top of the $1300 and get the LA724 loader while you are at it.

 

[jeconn]

Alright I fixed my jerky 3ph today.The replacement part # is L3240. Let me tell you the deal and you can tell me if I did OK. I had a L3400DT with r4 tires, gear transmission, loader without Q/A. I gave $16400 for it. Today I got a new L3240 with synchro shuttle gear transmission, loaded r4 tires, 514 loader with Q/A bucket. I had a tooth bar on my 3400 but it wouldn't fit on the new bigger bucket so they put one on at no extra charge. I traded my tractor and $1300 for this. So I have $17700 in a new 3240. I think I did ok. What do you think? I had to buy it so nobody had to come down from Canada to kick my butt. Oh yeah the 3ph is SMOOTH!!! This tractor feels a lot bigger too.

 

[canoetrpr]

jeconn - well done! That's an awesome deal!

 

[Goog]

Sounds like you did well. If only we all had a chance for a do over I know most of us would pick a different tractor. Brian

 

[Harvest Moon]

Congratulations jeconn! You're not going to regret it!