Flail Mower Let's talk flail mowers

   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,081  
Grr tractor supply is closed today... The wife just informed me it suppose to rain tomorrow so I'll be making the trip there in the morning. Thank you!!!! Unfortunately they're not legible

I have just more or less finished resurrecting an old Ford 917 Model 22-184 flail I got for $100. Mine uses 2 belts, but I just took the old ones to TSC & found what I needed. They were up in the lawn mower section. I don't remember if I matched numbers or length. Ones I got were tight going on I & might have been better off getting 1 size up, but they weren't to bad.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,082  
I have just more or less finished resurrecting an old Ford 917 Model 22-184 flail I got for $100. Mine uses 2 belts, but I just took the old ones to TSC & found what I needed. They were up in the lawn mower section. I don't remember if I matched numbers or length. Ones I got were tight going on I & might have been better off getting 1 size up, but they weren't to bad.

Excellent thank you.... Gonna make some ice cream with the wife then I think I'll hit TSC

Question for cutting height. Aside from changing the rear roller height, will extending the top link give some extra height or vise versa, shortening top link cause for shorter cuts. Does this change the vacuum affect or cutting angle of the blades by doing this? How do you guys set your top link.

If it's he same concept as tilling, I adjust the top link for depth.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,083  
Excellent thank you.... Gonna make some ice cream with the wife then I think I'll hit TSC Question for cutting height. Aside from changing the rear roller height, will extending the top link give some extra height or vise versa, shortening top link cause for shorter cuts. Does this change the vacuum affect or cutting angle of the blades by doing this? How do you guys set your top link. If it's he same concept as tilling, I adjust the top link for depth.
It's all about geometry. If the top link is shortened it will bring the blades down a bit but not as much as if you readjusted the rear roller.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,084  
It's all about geometry. If the top link is shortened it will bring the blades down a bit but not as much as if you readjusted the rear roller.

That was my guess , just seeing if anyone uses it this way.... Thank you!!!
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,085  
Anyone use flails in the rain? Are they as successful ?

Tractor supply did not have my size today. Looks like it's 44" by there measuring tool. However they only had 5/8 and I think it's 7/8
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,086  
Anyone use flails in the rain? Are they as successful ?

Tractor supply did not have my size today.
Looks like it's 44" by their measuring tool.
However they only had 5/8 and I think it's 7/8

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Hello KenB2920,

Mowing in the rain with a flail is best left to highway mowers as the wet grass will only make a mess
for you and not cut all that well-been there and done that, and if its wet enough you will be pushing water with the rear roller.

Most Flail mower belts are the B size width. Do not mistake a worn belt for being larger when the
wear occurs on the sides of the V belt and the narrow base.

You need to understand that the belt size i.e. width is determined by the pulley depth and the cross
sectional width of the pulley measured from edge to edge to determine whether it is a B or a C v-belt.
The wider and thicker v-belts (C) are used on flail shredder choppers in units of four "C" belts and the five and six groove banded V belts
on The Hiniker brand of Flail Shredders in one example.

THE new V belt must rest between both sides of the pulley and the flat portion of the v-belt
cannot ride above the pulley, it must be flush with the drive and driven pulley under tension
If it is taller than the pulley groove you have the wrong belt.

Now: I have to ask you if you looked at the side of the pulley measuring tool to see where
the cross section of the V belt rested? the measurement will tell you if it is an A, B or C belt on
the side of the half pulley that is used to measure the old belt.

Most likely it is a B44 V belt.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,087  
I'll bet NAPA would have them, but they might be pricey if they are as proud of them as they are their hydraulic hoses.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,088  
The local Napa has the cheapest belts in town even if you have to pay full retail.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,089  
============================================================================ Hello KenB2920, Mowing in the rain with a flail is best left to highway mowers as the wet grass will only make a mess for you and not cut all that well-been there and done that, and if its wet enough you will be pushing water with the rear roller. Most Flail mower belts are the B size width. Do not mistake a worn belt for being larger when the wear occurs on the sides of the V belt and the narrow base. You need to understand that the belt size i.e. width is determined by the pulley depth and the cross sectional width of the pulley measured from edge to edge to determine whether it is a B or a C v-belt. The wider and thicker v-belts (C) are used on flail shredder choppers in units of four "C" belts and the five and six groove banded V belts on The Hiniker brand of Flail Shredders in one example. THE new V belt must rest between both sides of the pulley and the flat portion of the v-belt cannot ride above the pulley, it must be flush with the drive and driven pulley under tension If it is taller than the pulley groove you have the wrong belt. Now: I have to ask you if you looked at the side of the pulley measuring tool to see where the cross section of the V belt rested? the measurement will tell you if it is an A, B or C belt on the side of the half pulley that is used to measure the old belt. Most likely it is a B44 V belt.

Ok wow, I will have to reread this a couple times then check the pully.... Huge help .. Thank you

Well I'm glad I didn't try cutting in the rain... You saved me some time from trial and error ....

When you say highway, do you mean the hydraulic driven flail mowers can cut in the rain?






As for Napa, they did not have the same belt as for my mott.... CX-51 if I recall... They would of had to order it. It was $36 plus $12 for shipping.

Soooo I ordered it myself for I think $18 .... New belt works great so far. Ill have either pick up a couple or find a Kevlar one as well. Id like to have backup so there is no down time on jobs
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,090  
If anyone does file, sand, grind, wet well or however they sharpen the blades, does anyone have a method for sharpening without removing them?

As for the ford 907 22-108 I need to find the correct size so I can pick up a new one. It appeared the size I find is for the model that has a spring tensioner ..... I don't know if they have the same size belt.

I got a new belt for the Mott today and I was able to change it in under 1 minute!!! Amazing!!

It's cool to see the pros and cons of both the ford and mott

I use a 4.5" angle grinder with a flap wheel and it sharpens my Ford 917 knives great. Just don't over heat the knives (turning the steel blue).
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,091  
Ok wow, I will have to reread this a couple times then check the pully.... Huge help .. Thank you

Well I'm glad I didn't try cutting in the rain... You saved me some time from trial and error ....

When you say highway, do you mean the hydraulic driven flail mowers can cut in the rain?






As for Napa, they did not have the same belt as for my mott.... CX-51 if I recall... They would of had to order it. It was $36 plus $12 for shipping.

Soooo I ordered it myself for I think $18 .... New belt works great so far. Ill have either pick up a couple or find a Kevlar one as well. Id like to have backup so there is no down time on jobs

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Hello KenB2920,

You can buy belts at your local Kaman Industrial supply if needed.
The highway mowers are typically a mongrel mower being half hydraulic
with the left and right side mowers being hydraulic and the rear mounts are PTO
rear mounts.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,092  
Ok wow, I will have to reread this a couple times then check the pully.... Huge help .. Thank you

Well I'm glad I didn't try cutting in the rain... You saved me some time from trial and error ....

When you say highway, do you mean the hydraulic driven flail mowers can cut in the rain?






As for Napa, they did not have the same belt as for my mott.... CX-51 if I recall... They would of had to order it. It was $36 plus $12 for shipping.

Soooo I ordered it myself for I think $18 .... New belt works great so far. Ill have either pick up a couple or find a Kevlar one as well. Id like to have backup so there is no down time on jobs

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Hello KenB2920,

You can buy belts at your local Kaman Industrial supply if needed.
The highway mowers are typically a mongrel mower being half hydraulic
with the left and right side mowers being hydraulic and the rear mounts are PTO
rear mounts.

The hydraulic mowers are energy hogs as they require a lot of power to operate the pumps and cooling fans for the oil tanks.

They mow in the rain simply because they they are stuck out there working in the weather-if they are lucky they have an all weather cab with air conditioning.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,093  
Excellent thank you.... Gonna make some ice cream with the wife then I think I'll hit TSC

Question for cutting height. Aside from changing the rear roller height, will extending the top link give some extra height or vise versa, shortening top link cause for shorter cuts. Does this change the vacuum affect or cutting angle of the blades by doing this? How do you guys set your top link.

If it's he same concept as tilling, I adjust the top link for depth.

I have a hydraulic top link, so that makes things easy for me. The roller on my 917 is non-adjustable I believe. I just leave the toplink in float & set the height on the 3pt (often all the way up). The toplink just extends until the roller hits the ground giving me about a 6-7" cut.

I suspect this decreases the vacuum effect & when cutting 2-4' grass it won't suck the grass crushed by my tires up. If I kept up on the mowing a bit better I probably wouldnt end up with uncut tire tracks. It was a really wet spring & I was trying to get this flail resurected, so it didn't get mowed properly. Now I'm letting most of the grass go to seed & just tying to cut the weediest bits so they don't go to seed.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,094  
I stopped by Napa & other auto-parts stores when belt hunting. Napa had one (needed a matched pair), none of the other auto stores had any in that size.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,095  
I have a hydraulic top link, so that makes things easy for me. The roller on my 917 is non-adjustable I believe. I just leave the toplink in float & set the height on the 3pt (often all the way up). The toplink just extends until the roller hits the ground giving me about a 6-7" cut. I suspect this decreases the vacuum effect & when cutting 2-4' grass it won't suck the grass crushed by my tires up. If I kept up on the mowing a bit better I probably wouldnt end up with uncut tire tracks. It was a really wet spring & I was trying to get this flail resurected, so it didn't get mowed properly. Now I'm letting most of the grass go to seed & just tying to cut the weediest bits so they don't go to seed.

A hydro top link would be nice and I hope to have one sooner than later

So today I cut about 35" grass/weeds with the top link extended leaving about 6" plus Mohawks ....

I then blew the cut grass off the area with a back pack blower revealing the Mohawks ..... I then shortened the top link and cross cut the area with nice short results..... I love this flail mower game.....

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   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,099  
Hello KenB2920, I see that your mowing session went very well. it will be even better when you go over it again at two inches in cutting height. Happy mowing.

Yes, this was a photo of the first pass (and dull blades). I then blew off the grass clippings and cut at a lower height. The customer seemed to be really happy. He is having a firework display this coming week and wanted as much dry dead grass gone.

The one thing I really like about a flail vs a rotary cutter is the ability for a regular mower (Ztr) to be able to immediately cut afterwords.

The flail doesn't leave the large clumps and can cut much shorter. Then with a rotary mower, if you attempt to cut short and then make a turn, it slices the top of the sod with the drag rails leaving a mess.

I still have many more hours of trial and error to perfect my performance but this seems to be a winner. Rotary cutter may only come out for thick brush as these are a dream to use.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,100  
KenB2920, why blow off the clippings before making a second lower pass with the flail? The flail will just mulch those clippings if you simply mow over them again. Green fertilizer.
 
 

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