Buying Advice Mahindra 4035 HST vs. Kubota L4240 HST

[Sysop]

And where are the comparisons?

My comparisons were done first hand on the lots of local dealers, something I advise anyone to do. Everything from the castings to the bolts appeared larger and heavier on the 4035HST. I guess I can go back and take pictures of what caught my eye with each, I drive by each of the dealers all the time. I looked at Kubota, NewHolland, Mahindra, and LS.

 

[TomSeller]

I wouldn't want a tractor that simply has more metal to have more metal. I would rather have one of adequate design from a manufacturer that has the expertise to design efficiently.. Heavy tractors rut wet soil and strain my bridges more than I care for.

 

[GManBart]

I just hate seeing broken stuff when it can be avoided. With experience you do learn how much is needed for a given task. I'm just saying that with a loader capacity over 2500# on my tractor, I'd have more than 1000# on the back if using the loader to capacity, especially if the front tires are flexing the sidewalls a lot (I think of that flex as a visible indicator of when to add more ballast to the 3 point since it directly translates into the pressures the axle and steering are under).

Kioti specifies 1,047lbs on the 3pt for the DK40SE HST with the KL401 loader.

Where's that popcorn? :laughing:

 

[murphy1244]

Coobie, pass me the butter please.

 

[coobie]

Can,t pass anything now,to much butter on my fingers.I am a bad troll though.LOL.

 

[Sysop]

I wouldn't want a tractor that simply has more metal to have more metal. I would rather have one of adequate design from a manufacturer that has the expertise to design efficiently.. Heavy tractors rut wet soil and strain my bridges more than I care for.

Agreed Tom, it's all about knowing what tasks you want and need to do, and doing the hands on research about what will fit those needs and wants best. Here the biggest issue is traction, not always due to wet soil, sometimes simply due to the inclines, although we have our fair share of springs and various wet areas that are something to overcome as well. Majority of the problem on my land has always been getting enough weight. This has been something every operator who has worked this land contended with. So purchasing weight was something that was being done, either built into the tractor, or added after the fact. When I looked at all the tractors I had narrowed my choices down to by availability and specs, I simply didn't feel comfortable adding the weight to a lighter tractor for full time drag on the mechanicals.

My machine weighed over 8600# with the loader and the backhoe on it the day it was delivered. That is a lot of stress on a bridge, and that's a lot of weight for wet soil. Neither of these do I need to contend with for my primary functions. The heaviest duty tasks I'll be using my machine for will be to break up soil on top of my mountains with the backhoe, loading on a dump, to be brought off the hill and used to fill and level a couple small areas. All other tasks will be lighter duty on the machine. Another need for the weight was to get to some of the places I need to be to set new fenceposts. There are places on my hills I'll need the weight for stability and traction. I didn't make the decision lightly

Anything specific about Mahindra makes you think they aren't expert enough to design efficient tractors?

 

[Sysop]

Kioti specifies 1,047lbs on the 3pt for the DK40SE HST with the KL401 loader.

Depending on the geometry of your tractor and the capacities and ratings and so on, that may be plenty to prevent overloading your front axle when working your loader at capacity.

 

[murphy1244]

Depending on the geometry of your tractor and the capacities and ratings and so on, that may be plenty to prevent overloading your front axle when working your loader at capacity.

Its what Kioti specifies! Are you saying you know more about their Tractors than them?

 

[Sysop]

I am a bad troll though.LOL.

Yes, normally a troll just starts trouble in otherwise productive threads but doesn't have anything useful to contribute which is obviously not the case with you. Get it right and quit being helpful in so many other threads!

 

[coobie]

Depending on the geometry of your tractor and the capacities and ratings and so on, that may be plenty to prevent overloading your front axle when working your loader at capacity.

By gosh that's the same DK40 seHST Kioti tractor with KL 401 loader I have.Hope I got it right this time being a newbie.

 

[Sysop]

Its what Kioti specifies! Are you saying you know more about their Tractors than them?

Not at all, I guess the better wording for a bunch of nit-pickers would have been "Since that's what they specify, the geometry of your tractor coupled with it's capabilities and ratings and so on must be plenty to prevent overloading your front axle when working with your loader at capacity." But then again those same nit-pickers would have picked up on the point that I had previously said "I'm just saying that with a loader capacity over 2500# on my tractor, I'd have more than 1000# on the back if using the loader to capacity, especially if the front tires are flexing the sidewalls a lot (I think of that flex as a visible indicator of when to add more ballast to the 3 point since it directly translates into the pressures the axle and steering are under)."

 

[murphy1244]

Not at all, I guess the better wording for a bunch of nit-pickers would have been "Since that's what they specify, the geometry of your tractor coupled with it's capabilities and ratings and so on must be plenty to prevent overloading your front axle when working with your loader at capacity." But then again those same nit-pickers would have picked up on the point that I had previously said "I'm just saying that with a loader capacity over 2500# on my tractor, I'd have more than 1000# on the back if using the loader to capacity, especially if the front tires are flexing the sidewalls a lot (I think of that flex as a visible indicator of when to add more ballast to the 3 point since it directly translates into the pressures the axle and steering are under)."

Ags flex cause they are taller and thinner. And I have NEVER picked nit in my life.

 

[Sysop]

Ags flex cause they are taller and thinner.

OK. And would you say by watching the amount they are flexing is a good way to gauge how much pressure the entire front axle is under? And if so, and you 'gauge' that it is more pressure than you are comfortable with, the solutions are to work less or add more weight to the 3 point? (obviously not to the point of overloading the 3 point though)

I have NEVER picked nit in my life.

Couldn't prove it much by me

 

[murphy1244]

Need to use your Ag tire flex gauge.I have R4 tires so I don't have to worry about that. Now your being trollish.

 

[coobie]

OK. And would you say by watching the amount they are flexing is a good way to gauge how much pressure the entire front axle is under? And if so, and you 'gauge' that it is more pressure than you are comfortable with, the solutions are to work less or add more weight to the 3 point? (obviously not to the point of overloading the 3 point though)



Couldn't prove it much by me

How about going with a 10 ply front ag tire verses the standard 6ply ag front tire?Think that would reduce flex?Do some research on that one?

 

[Sysop]

How about going with a 10 ply front ag tire verses the standard 6ply ag front tire?Think that would reduce flex?Do some research on that one?

Why do you want to debate more obvious things? So you can try to blame me for starting that debate as well?

 

[coobie]

Why do you want to debate more obvious things? So you can try to blame me for starting that debate as well?

Just stating the FACTS.Not blaming you for anything.You seem to like research so here you go.Good luck.

 

[Sysop]

Need to use your Ag tire flex gauge.I have R4 tires so I don't have to worry about that. Now your being trollish.

Sorry, I just find it irritating to hold a conversation in a discussion board and people mistake what is said and then begin to twist things.

I just made a couple points that sorta progressed into a decent discussion and then with a new arrival or two to the conversation it spiraled into nit-picking and name-calling.

 

[murphy1244]

Sorry, I just find it irritating to hold a conversation in a discussion board and people mistake what is said and then begin to twist things. I just made a couple points that sorta turned into a discussion and then with a new arrival or two to the conversation it spiraled into name-calling.

I have not twisted anything nor have I called anyone any names. You did.

 

[coobie]

Sorry, I just find it irritating to hold a conversation in a discussion board and people mistake what is said and then begin to twist things. I just made a couple points that sorta turned into a discussion and then with a new arrival or two to the conversation it spiraled into name-calling.

Maybe you need to go back to POST#59 &#69 you called me a TROLL.Does that ring a bell?BO-HOO !