My very own grapples!

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Mrs3RRL

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You may remember back in December last year when I started to build my very own grapples for Honey Bee. Rob had designed a very cool looking set of grapples for Larry and Ken and I wanted a set too. So Larry got them Plasma cut for me and sent them out. I was so excited to get them.
Look what he sent me. Aren't they beautiful?



I'll try to describe what I had to do to make them.
First, I had to open up the holes that were plasma cut, so they'd be 'perfect' (don't forget who I'm married to ;)) Boy, now I know what Rob means when he says it takes longer to set up than it does to do the actual cutting.

The first step was clamping the work down. I used 1-2-3 blocks to set the work up high enough that I wouldn't bore a hole through the table.

Since there were multiple pieces, I also had to make sure that the part that was going to be seated was perfectly even. I used a 'perfectly' squared up piece of steel for that.

Then I clamped it to the table, being careful to keep the clamps and the 1-2-3 blocks out of the way of the holes.

Then I had to indicate the work in. I clamped the indicator onto the spindle, and Rob showed me how to make sure the hole was perfectly centered (notice the continued use of the word 'perfect'... remember who I'm married to).

Boy, there sure are a lot of levers and dials to remember! I'd get one side on zero (or close to it), then spin it around to the other side, and move the table so the work was half-way between zero and whatever the dial said. Then, go back to the first side, and to it again. Once it was centered side-to-side, then do the same thing front-to-back.

Since the holes had been plasma cut, they had a taper on the inside of the holes, and some gouges, so it was hard to indicate it in. But finally it was centered. Rob put the boring bit in, because I wasn't tall enough to reach the top of the mill.

Then we had to make sure the bit was set to the right diameter. Rob did that part, and Rob showed me which direction to turn the 'on' switch. That was pretty weird, because you turn it a different direction, depending on whether it's on high or low. I still don't understand that part.

Then I lowered the bit almost down to the work, turned the machine on, and engaged the part that automatically lowers the boring bit (I forgot what that's called). Wow! That made it really shiny! It's not completely shiny all the way around, because the holes weren't really round in the first place..... but they sure look pretty!



And I did most of it myself! I did the rest of the parts, too, and Rob took some pictures.
 
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So, now that I've got the hang of it, I thought I'd help Ken (quikduk) out a little. He brought his grapples over here, and asked Rob to make some lightening holes in them and put them together.

First, I took my grapples as a model, and drew circles in the lightening holes on Ken's grapples.

Then, I found the center of each of the holes, and wrote down the coordinates, so I could always find the center. I started with a tiny drill bit, and then used progressively larger bits to enlarge the holes.



In this next photo, I'm checking the coordinates to make sure I'm exactly on center. The digital readout goes to 10,000th of an inch, but I just positioned to 1,000th of an inch (sorry, Ken .. I guess it's not 'perfect'):rolleyes:



After that, it's just a matter of lowering the drill bit into the steel, letting it do it's thing, and then bringing it out every once in a while, to get rid of the shavings... oops, I mean 'chips'.



Here's Ken's grapples, with all the lightening holes completed! That was fun!



Hey, Ken - Want me to weld them up for you, too??? :D
 
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Well, I got pretty busy so Rob took over to finish up Ken's grapples.
These are some pictures of his while Rob was welding them up. I kept a close eye on how he set them up so I can weld mine just like that.



 
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Ken's grapples are done now ready for him to paint. I could get back on my very own grapples again. I had to mill some sides square on the protector plate and make them the same length as the cross tubes so that everything fits when we weld it up.



I also decided to add some more lightning holes and to make them look special.:D
Gee, Rob's milling machine is bigger than me!

 
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Loretta

Will Rob's next therad be how to cook a turkey dinner?

I'v tought all my childrein (3 daughters and a son) how to do basic engine work its it great you are rounding out your skills.

Just dont let him near the dish washer.

tommu
 
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Loretta's grapples have already been welded together, so this is catching up a bit.
During the project she got pretty busy so she left some of the grunt work up to me like clamping and welding them. lol ... I suppose she wants me to sweep up the chips too?:confused:

She wanted to post these photos but couldn't find them (because I have them). I told her I'd post them for her since it's a good chance to get my post count up.:D This is what hers look like. Several guys have asked about them already. But anyway, here are a couple shots of her welded up grapples now, and some close up of the better AC stick welds. The grapples need to be cleaned up, then they are ready to prime.



I am very happy to see her take such an interest in her Jinma and making/doing a lot of the mods herself. There will be a few things I'll help her with, but she wants to do as much herself as time allows. She still works full time.
 
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Looking good Loretta!

(That second picture tho...you with the claw...kinda creepy)

Gotta run now...need to check the other thread & see if Rob has written anything about the second shop going up. :D
 
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tommu56 said:
Loretta

Will Rob's next therad be how to cook a turkey dinner?

I'v tought all my childrein (3 daughters and a son) how to do basic engine work its it great you are rounding out your skills.

Just dont let him near the dish washer.

tommu
Hi tommu, thank you. funny what you said about Rob.
Some of his machinery is sooo big, I need a step stool to change the bits. I have a lot to learn before I can do it all myself, but he's pretty good about teaching me.
I read what you told him to do with the dishwasher too, how dare you? :D
 
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Defective said:
Looking good Loretta!

(That second picture tho...you with the claw...kinda creepy)


I was thinking the same thing. Only us tractor guys would understand and appreciate this picture.
I truely enjoy Loretta's posts......almost as much as (if not more than :rolleyes: ) Rob's. :D :cool: :eek:
What was that about the dishwasher?
Don
 
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TBDonnelly said:
What was that about the dishwasher?

when Rob was making his training wheels, he had one brand new, clean wheel, and one old grubby wheel, and he told Rob to put it in the dishwasher!

(hmm.. maybe THAT's why my dishwasher has suddenly quit working):eek:
 
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Rob could always get his own dishwasher in the shop. Heck, he's already got a microwave behind the mill...
 
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Oh ok,
LOL ... I see it's "trash Rob Day" now. :D
Loretta, those are not "training wheels" dear, they are gauge wheels.:mad: :confused::( Very serious stuff. Shees.
Now I see why you guys don't let your wives post.
 
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Mrs3RRL said:
(hmm.. maybe THAT's why my dishwasher has suddenly quit working):eek:

Does this mean we can look forward to a new thread about 'the new and improved hydraulically controlled dishwasher'. :D Knowing Rob's 'Incredible Talent' (there, I redeemed myself :eek: ), I forsee a minature set of grapple arms loading the new and improved dishwasher. :)

Don
 
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Loretta,

Your workmanship is exceptional!!! Do you guys realize there is a huge market out there for grapples that's barely being tapped? Come up with a solid design with easy to follow instructions, and 3RRL Grapples should be the next great impliment company.

What did you use for the bushings? I looks like a thick walled pipe. Could it be a heavy duty DOM tubing?

Thanks,
Eddie
 
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Well Tom, Defective and Don, :) :D :)
I know you guys are having fun with me. hahaha ... a thread on how to cook a turkey dinner... behind the mill in a microwave or a hydraulic dishwasher. Jeez.

Hi Eddie,
I thought she did pretty good too! You see the guys get a kick out of it. I think they're waiting for her to check MY work now.:confused:
The first set of grapples you saw (made for Ken) have DOM tubing, but Loretta's (the last photos) have hardened shoulder bushings in them. I have several boxes with old leader pins and bushings from plastic injection molds. When I do a P&M (prevention and maintenance) on the molds, I replace them but keep the old ones for projects like this.

Here is a photo of some spares. Also a shot of Loretta's grapples with the bushings welded in.



New they are very close tolerance (.001" clearance max) and some I replace are still very good. They align the two halves of the mold so the mating surfaces can match up. They have a very thin coating of Lamina, a bronze alloy for wear and lubricity. Some of the older ones can get worn down to where there is over .001" clearance ... maybe two or three thousands or more. Those make great pins and bushings for our home made projects since they are hardened and work fine for non critical pivots like these grapple pivots.
 
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While on the subject, do you want to see some boring details what is involved in making the pins so they can be greased? I thought so.:)

It takes a little work, but the way I make them allows the Zerk fitting to sit below the surface in a protective pocket to reduce the chance of it getting snapped off. It also gets the grease right between the pin and the bushing. Overkill? Well, whatever floats your boat, right?:)

Here is the process in detail.
I set up the pin in a "V" block in the mill and centerdrill, drill and counterbore. The drill is the tap drill for a 1/8NPT-27 thread, which is what the Zerk fitting thread is.



Those pins are case hardened, so once you get through the hardened surface, the center is soft enough (about 36RC) to cut and drill with high speed. But be careful when tapping with tapered threads. In order to reduce the chance of breaking a pipe tap, I use a pipe reamer first, then tap for about 7-8 threads engagement. So that's what the end looks like. Ready for the Zerk fitting.
A chamfer makes for nice finished touch.

 
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After getting the ends complete, I grind 3 flats lengthways on the diameter of the pin, equally spaced 120 degrees apart. They are the length ... about 1/4" shorter than the length of the bushing in Loretta's grapples. Then I drill holes connecting into the center hole. This will allow the grease to flow from the middle of the pin through the 3 holes and onto the flats ... thus lubricating the inside of the bushing perfectly.



After that, I cut the pins to length in the surface grinder using an abrasive cut-off wheel that is only 1/32" thick. It slices the 1" diameter pins like butter.

 
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You saw the flat on the shoulder of pin.
That is so I can weld a tab to it. The tab will be used to secure the pin to the pivot brackets, so the pins don't spin. This forces the bushing only to rotate or pivot over the pin. It's a common way to fasten pins. You can also see the grease flats on the pin.



Then I set the pins into the mill again and drill, tap and counterbore for a low head socket screw. The screw will be protected also, sitting completely inside it's counterbore. Here is what the pin looks like fastened to the bracket. You can see the Zerk fitting installed and also protected. Then some close ups of the low head socket screw and the grease nozzle on the Zerk nipple.
Everything fits pretty good.

 
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So if you are still awake, here's the final result.
I put a test bushing over the pin and greased it. I chose a bushing shorter than the ones in Loretta's grapple so you could see the grease coming out of the 3 flats. Her bushings are longer and will overlap the ends of those flats by 1/8" per side. That way it kind of traps the grease inside the bushing with not too much squirting out the ends. It also forces the grease to work it's way all around the diameter.



That last photo also shows the inside of the bracket. Notice that the screw does not go past the inside surface.
I will take all that stuff to camp and weld those brackets to a plate, or sections of a 1/2" plate which will be the platform for her grapple pivots. The plate will then be attached to her top bucket lip. I'll take some photos up there of how to fit the grapple jaws to the bucket properly for final mounting.
 
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Rob,
It is always fascinating to watch how put such precision into everything that you do. The result is a clean elegance. for example, I noticed that the retaining tabs are angled on the end to match the angle of the bracket. I would have eye-balled the angle and cut it with a 4.5 inch grinder and cut off wheel and rounded the edges with a flap disk. You probably measured the angle, set it up in your surface grinder to take the slice off and then milled the round corners. Mine would be functional (maybe), but yours is a work of art!


That grapple has so many lightening holes that if you paint it yellow like the tractor it is going to look like Swiss cheese!!:cool:

Mike
 

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