Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350

[Ken45101]

i find it rediculous what some people think they can tow with their big bad powerstroke or duramax. its scary. i work at a heavy equipment rental yard, and people come in wanting to put 8000lb mini-excavators in the bed of an f-350, or tow a 10000lb tracked skidsteer with a chevy trailblazer on a single axle landscape trailer.

ROFL!

 

[Duffster]

i can legally, as per NY state, carry a kobelco sk80 excavator which weighs 22400 lbs, plus the bucket or hammer on our single axle peterbilt or sterling rollback trucks. a d5 weighs less than that, and therefore a d3 weighs considerably less. these are full-size heavy duty trucks, not f-450/f-550 sized trucks, and not something that normally would be used to carry broken down cars or trucks. these are much more heavy duty.

during the summer i drive an f-550 service truck with a 6spd, and i would never even think of putting a d3 behind it. the truck can barley move or stop itself, much less a 18k dozer on a trailer behind it. it would be a disaster waiting to happen. nor would i ever attempt to pull a d3 w/ 4500 or 5500 series dodge or GM. i love my cummins powered dodges, but know the dodge part of the truck is not up to that task. i find it rediculous what some people think they can tow with their big bad powerstroke or duramax. its scary. i work at a heavy equipment rental yard, and people come in wanting to put 8000lb mini-excavators in the bed of an f-350, or tow a 10000lb tracked skidsteer with a chevy trailblazer on a single axle landscape trailer.

BTW, my main job is to drive a tractor trailer and deliver and move the heavy equipment my employer owns. i can legally weigh 175000lbs, so i do have some experiance with towing equipment

I am curious what your Pete is rated at. They are typically only 33k here.

It is your opinion that 24k behind a F450 isn't safe and it is my opinion that 22k on the back of a single axle isn't safe.

But you know what they say about opinions and 'holes LOL.

Amen. And the sooner we can get these "supertruckers" with their diesel pickups pulling 15K or more off the road, the better.

Wow, if a fella can't handle 15k behind a diesel pickup he ain't much of an operator.

 

[hemiguy]

Amen. And the sooner we can get these "supertruckers" with their diesel pickups pulling 15K or more off the road, the better.

Something I see all the time now on the NYState Thruway (I-90) here is 1 ton dually PU's pulling "wedge" gooseneck 3-car haulers. Several times I've seen 3 full sized PU's or cargo vans as the load. Lets see, that's 15K++ for the load plus maybe 4-5k for the trailer. Just the one PU/van over the gooseneck has got to be overloading the bed limit of the 1 ton?? On an interstate highway I think they're going farther than "just going around the corner". How the heck are these guys getting away with it?

As far as safety my first thought is how do you stop that load? Heavy duty trucks/trailers have air brakes, but F350/450/550's don't. Pulling/stopping my 7k trailer behind my 1/2ton Dodge is enough exitement for me but at least it's legal.

 

[Builder]

Something I see all the time now on the NYState Thruway (I-90) here is 1 ton dually PU's pulling "wedge" gooseneck 3-car haulers. Several times I've seen 3 full sized PU's or cargo vans as the load. Lets see, that's 15K++ for the load plus maybe 4-5k for the trailer. Just the one PU/van over the gooseneck has got to be overloading the bed limit of the 1 ton?? On an interstate highway I think they're going farther than "just going around the corner". How the heck are these guys getting away with it?

I think PA MVCE pays all their salaries with those guys down here. I always see them pulled over in the same spots. More recently, I see a lot of those same wedge trailers being pulled by single axle road tractors. Much safer.

As far as safety my first thought is how do you stop that load? Heavy duty trucks/trailers have air brakes, but F350/450/550's don't. Pulling/stopping my 7k trailer behind my 1/2ton Dodge is enough exitement for me but at least it's legal.

IMO, they mostly rely on luck. Someone pulls out in front of you, it could be a disaster. You just have to hope that most of them stay in the "slow" lane and have lots of distance between them and the vehicle in front of them.

What PA is doing now is when you buy a tag for weight of truck & trailer, they need to see proof of the truck's GCWR. They won't allow you to buy more tag than the truck can handle.

About 20 years too late, but hey, we're talking about government here, so what do you expect.

 

[powerstroke444e]

What PA is doing now is when you buy a tag for weight of truck & trailer, they need to see proof of the truck's GCWR. They won't allow you to buy more tag than the truck can handle.

In IL I just had a client that got pulled over by secSecretary of State Police and they brought the portable scales. He was grossing 35,000 on a dodge 2500 with a 3 axle dump. He was ticketed and told he need TD 12,000 plates on the truck and TK plates on the trailer which are rate between 20,000-32,000lbs. He had to have these plates before they would let him use the truck and trailer again. They also would not let him drive the truck and trailer without a CDL. He has since went & got all the plates and inspections and a CDL, the Sec of state police re-inspected and told him you are legal according to the state of IL.
Reason he need the plates is the trailer is a 26000gvw and the truck is 9000+gvw(I don稚 know the exact), This is the second person in less than 3 months I know has had this happen to just around Springfield IL and the fines will cost more than setting it up right to start with.

If your going to play super trucker you better be doing it legally and safely or you will pay dearly one way or another. If your lucky it will be just to the state not with someones life.

 

[LBrown59]

In IL I just had a client that got pulled over by secSecretary of State Police and they brought the portable scales. He was grossing 35,000 on a dodge 2500 with a 3 axle dump. He was ticketed and told he need TD 12,000 plates on the truck and TK plates on the trailer which are rate between 20,000-32,000lbs. He had to have these plates before they would let him use the truck and trailer again. They also would not let him drive the truck and trailer without a CDL. He has since went & got all the plates and inspections and a CDL, the Sec of state police re-inspected and told him you are legal according to the state of IL.
Reason he need the plates is the trailer is a 26000gvw and the truck is 9000+gvw(I don稚 know the exact), This is the second person in less than 3 months I know has had this happen to just around Springfield IL and the fines will cost more than setting it up right to start with.

How does his comming into compliance make the 35000 pound over load now safe?

 

[Duffster]

How does his comming into compliance make the 35000 pound over load now safe?

At least he is licensed for it

 

[powerstroke444e]

My point was that in IL that it may be legal but not safe. And the state has found a way to make money from inforcing current laws.
If you are legal it don't mean you won't be liable if you cause any accident.

 

[ultrarunner]

How does his comming into compliance make the 35000 pound over load now safe?

Compliance with applicable law removes the automatic presumption of guilt had the law been violated.

 

[LBrown59]

In other words it is just a revenue generator and public highway safety be dammed.

My point was that in IL that it may be legal but not safe. And the state has found a way to make money from inforcing current laws.
If you are legal it don't mean you won't be liable if you cause any accident.