Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[WinterDeere]

Now they want to force electric ranges on us? Won’t that put even greater demand on the already stressed-out system?

Good question. It would be interesting to see the numbers on this. How many households cook on gas vs. electric, plotted vs. time since 1950.

An electric range or oven in most households is indeed going to use much of its power during peak hours, when you don't want to be further loading the grid. But how many households are we really talking about, here? What fraction of the population is really using gas cooktops and ovens, today? I don't know...

 

[Hay Dude]

Good question. It would be interesting to see the numbers on this. How many households cook on gas vs. electric, plotted vs. time since 1950.

An electric range or oven in most households is indeed going to use much of its power during peak hours, when you don't want to be further loading the grid. But how many households are we really talking about, here? What fraction of the population is really using gas cooktops and ovens, today? I don't know...

The percentage is very high. I thought I heard like 50% on the radio this morning.

 

[Eagle1]

The percentage is very high. I thought I heard like 50% on the radio this morning.

Really depend if NG is at your location. If it is piped to the house it most likely is being used. No access to NG the most likely energy source is Electric.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Nobody has mentioned if it’s a good idea or what is actually happening when your stove burns propane or natural gas inside a closed room.
“It was good enough for pappy, so it’s good enough for me!”

“Meh…we’re only poisoning ourselves a little bit…a little bit of odorless, carbon monoxide won’t hurt anyone.”

…I’ll stay away from the discussions about whether the government should ban dangerous products…

…let’s just stick to the facts about burning propane and NG indoors. In possibly and sometimes vented conditions, but often not. A good idea or n

My house is equip with something called a hood vent .... and CO2 detector

 

[WinterDeere]

The percentage is very high. I thought I heard like 50% on the radio this morning.

Okay, just did some quick research. I'm seeing one quote for 35%, which is more than I had suspected. I'd believe that another source may be as high as 50%, although I didn't see it myself, there's always a lot of error and bias in these estimates.

I also pulled up the circuit utilization of our all-electric range, and I see we put 17 - 25 kWh on that circuit every month. My wife cooks on that stove/oven at least 6 dinners per week, as well as occasional lunches. Our household usage is about 3000 kWh per month, so the electric range makes up about 0.7% of our household usage. Our primary heat is wood and oil, so the fraction would be smaller if we were the more typical heatpump household.

Based on these numbers, we'd expect the increased hit to the grid would be less than 0.35 x .007 = 0.25% of current usage, if every owner of a gas stove instantly threw theirs in the garbage, and switched to an electric range. Not a lot, even if it's mostly at peak hours.

Someone please check my math on this, as it seems low to me. I honestly expected the numbers to be bigger than that.

 

[CobyRupert]

My house is equip with something called a hood vent .... and CO2 detector

Seems foolproof. What could go wrong?

Kidding aside, it’s a good idea to vent the poison that burning gas inside your home creates, and detect it before they get to the levels that will kill you and your family.

…again, I’m not saying it’s government’s job to drastically correct the whitewashing and propaganda we’ve got from the petroleum industry on how safe burning gas products INSIDE our homes is.

 

[deserteagle71]

Really depend if NG is at your location. If it is piped to the house it most likely is being used. No access to NG the most likely energy source is Electric.

Probably depends on which part of the country you're in. In northern Nevada, everyone living outside of town has a big propane tank sitting in their yard. Much cheaper - and more dependable - to use propane for hot water heaters and cook stoves than electricity. And the cost differential is going up - I'm still paying the same for propane as I did 5 years ago but electricity costs have gone up 30% in the last year.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Nobody has mentioned if it’s a good idea or what is actually happening when your stove burns propane or natural gas inside a closed room.
“It was good enough for pappy, so it’s good enough for me!”

“Meh…we’re only poisoning ourselves a little bit…a little bit of odorless, carbon monoxide won’t hurt anyone. …or the increased carbon dioxide”

…I’ll stay away from the discussions about whether the government should ban dangerous products…

…let’s just stick to the facts about burning propane and NG indoors. In possibly and sometimes vented conditions, but often not. A good idea or no?

If I want to back my truck through my wall and piss exhaust right into my living room, I will; who the hell are you?

 

[Cougsfan]

I think this is a case of well intended people not considering all of the ramifications of their societal "improvements". I am sure the facts will bore out that gas stoves reduce indoor air quality. I also tend to suspect the are evaluating the worst possible situations and present them as more common than they actually are.
One of the contributing factors to the rise of homelessness and the rising cost of housing are streams of regulations that are accurately aimed at improving the quality of the home while at same time taking them out of the range of affordability for some. I am not saying this is the cause of homelessness, but it is a little bit of fuel to make the flame bigger and needs to be part of all things considered.

 

[CobyRupert]

If I want to back my truck through my wall and piss exhaust right into my living room, I will; who the hell are you?

Have at it.
I’m the one asking if it’s a good idea.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

A believe a federal agency needs to ban soda, since the "fizz" is CO2!

 

[Eagle1]

Just know that there is a federal agency that kills Big Horn Sheep one year because there are too many and the kills Mountain Lions the next year because there are not enough Big Horn Sheep. That sort of circular logic is abundant in many parts of our society.

 

[4570Man]

Banning gas stoves and more so gas heating appliances is complete insanity. Gas appliances make up like 60 percent of the national average for heating. The only reason it’s not close to 100 percent is lack of availability. But the electric grid is already struggling. Even putting electric cars aside for a minute putting 100 percent of the heating load on the electric grid will result in blackouts and people freezing to death. Even if people don’t literally freeze to death which a few will frozen pipes are still pretty catastrophic. Also natural gas and coal make up for about 60 percent of the electricity generation.

 

[Eagle1]

Maybe they need the saved gas to generate more electric...... or its more profitable for all concerned.

 

[MossRoad]

I'm not worried about future appliance requirements if they should change. My stove will last until it doesn't, then I'll buy whatever is the latest and greatest when that time comes.

Most of the stuff I've read say about 2/3 of the stoves in use are electric already.

I love my gas stove/oven/broiler. I use the range hood when it's on. No issues with headaches and such.

The electric stoves and ovens that I am used to seeing and have used, with resistance coils, suck for cooking. That includes the glass top ones that still have resistance coils under the glass.

With that said, induction stovetops are pretty nice. They heat up the pan much faster than gas, and cool down much faster as well. The temperature controls work very well compared to the old coil style electric. I like them!

About the only drawback I can see for myself is that it would require me to buy all new cookware that's induction compatible as I mostly use my old copper bottom Revereware. I do have a couple induction compatible non-stick frying pans, but that's about it.

 

[oldnslo]

Since concern seems to be based on non vented stoves putting fumes in homes the question in my mind is how long does a stove or oven have to operate to put dangerous levels of fumes in 1,000 square foot area? 10 minutes, half hour, etc.

 

[MossRoad]

Just know that there is a federal agency that kills Big Horn Sheep one year because there are too many and the kills Mountain Lions the next year because there are not enough Big Horn Sheep. That sort of circular logic is abundant in many parts of our society.

That's how they determine fish stocking in the great lakes each year.

If there aren't enough mountain lions to eat all the fish, they reduce stocking numbers for the year.

Wait, it's baitfish for the predator fish, but you get the idea.

 

[2manyrocks]

I think this is a case of well intended people not considering all of the ramifications of their societal "improvements". I am sure the facts will bore out that gas stoves reduce indoor air quality. I also tend to suspect the are evaluating the worst possible situations and present them as more common than they actually are.
One of the contributing factors to the rise of homelessness and the rising cost of housing are streams of regulations that are accurately aimed at improving the quality of the home while at same time taking them out of the range of affordability for some. I am not saying this is the cause of homelessness, but it is a little bit of fuel to make the flame bigger and needs to be part of all things considered.

It is very true that the cost of complying with all of the zoning and code regulations has increased the cost of housing and the lack of affordability contributes to homelessness.

 

[MossRoad]

Banning gas stoves and more so gas heating appliances is complete insanity. Gas appliances make up like 60 percent of the national average for heating. The only reason it’s not close to 100 percent is lack of availability. But the electric grid is already struggling. Even putting electric cars aside for a minute putting 100 percent of the heating load on the electric grid will result in blackouts and people freezing to death. Even if people don’t literally freeze to death which a few will frozen pipes are still pretty catastrophic. Also natural gas and coal make up for about 60 percent of the electricity generation.

According to the government...

47% of homes rely on natural gas for heating as of 2015.

U.S. households’ heating equipment choices are diverse and vary by climate region - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[MossRoad]

Since concern seems to be based on non vented stoves putting fumes in homes the question in my mind is how long does a stove or oven have to operate to put dangerous levels of fumes in 1,000 square foot area? 10 minutes, half hour, etc.

Probably depends on how tightly the home is sealed, so would be hard to measure unless on a per-case basis.