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[3930dave]

This is the space I'm referring to:

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Open space, near tract housing..... explains a lot. Though, idiots on loud machinery are a problem everywhere...

We all seem to agree, more legal directive/action needs to come from the estate, for a few reasons. Video works well today.... a few minutes showing the illegal activity might get the executor interested in responding, once they understand the liability better. You don't seem to mind donating your time, work, and some $ to solve this, but once you are in closer contact with the executor, I'd strongly recommend that you submit bills for at least the materials you are using.

Once they understand the situation, it would be hard to imagine a sane executor balking at a minor bill for sign or short-run fencing material. I've been an executor for an elderly relative's estate. The executor should want the bill in their possession to demonstrate that they had put effort into posting the property, and attempting to control access. IMO, you want that paid bill in your possession to clearly demonstrate that you had approval and direction from the estate.

Years ago, the Ontario city I grew up in had a similar problem with new developments on the west end of the city. ATVs weren't really in the market, back then it was motocross bikes tearing things up. Hard to catch 'em, even back then. Smart police captain asked for his guys that were interested, and sponsored them on the provincial motocross circuit (still, today, I think that was a good use of tax dollars.....) they got fast enough that they could catch virtually all the (mostly) kids messing about on these construction sites.

Most forces don't want to get that involved in chasing ATVs these days (until something high profile happens anyway......), the last enforcement action I heard about around here concerned UTVs, but that's a different story.....

Been a while...... the last time I got a hold of our HTA legislation, it required that ATVs had to be plated and insured, most of the time - the exclusion was if the ATV was only used on land that you own and reside on - mostly an Ag exemption was my interpretation.

Don't know if your traffic act legislation details are similar or not, but might be worth checking out.....

Rgds, D.

 

[Michael Aos]

I simply can't figure out who benefits from moving my post. The ATV's were using the new trail, and life was good.

In the short-term, I removed my sign, and the my post from the roadway.

I may still go down and push the concrete out of the path.

 

[Michael Aos]

Thanks for the well-thought-out advise. I think I will try to contact the estate.

We all seem to agree, more legal directive/action needs to come from the estate, for a few reasons.

 

[Michael Aos]

They seem to be coming from the nearby trailer court.

Open space, near tract housing..... explains a lot. Though, idiots on loud machinery are a problem everywhere...

 

[Michael Aos]

You might be on to something there.

I have also been thinking for a while about contacting the estate to see if they will hire me to maintain it.

I'm of the opinion of it were cleaned up and kept mowed, people would be less-likely to use it as a dumping ground.

We frequently have a high fire danger around here. If all that tall dry grass caught fire it would probably burn the entire fenceline.
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good chance you most likely have some sort of "noise law".

you really need to hunt down the owner of the property and get permission. to point of need be "rent the property" instead of fully buying it out if that is not an option. renting would give you domain over the area. and let ya do what ya need to do and remove the trails and be able to legally enforce things. and do what you want to do.

with all the homes in picture, their might also be some sort of Home association doing. or city doing. that might help.

 

[Michael Aos]

I own 3 of the 21 houses that back-up to this space, and I know several of the neighbors.

For the life of me, I can't figure out who benefits from blocking that new path.

I did notice a LOT of Colt 45 bottles scattered around when I was creating the new path.

Seemed like they had been there for a while, but I guess maybe I disturbed somebodies drinking spot...?

 

[Michael Aos]

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to close the entire space to ATV's.

I just moved one corner of the circuit about 50-yards down the road so it's not RIGHT in my backyard.

The folks on the ATV's seemed fine with it. They've been using the new path.

I basically kicked the can / moved the problem down a few houses.

I know those neighbors and they don't mind.
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[Michael Aos]

A couple more pictures.

 

[MF283]

Around these part's, a property owner can be sued for not maintain their property, I know it's weird being from the South.

Ronnie

 

[dmccarty]

I assume that CO has a state extension office, and if they do, see if they have any information on landowner liability. NC does have such information, and to minimize land owner liability, posting the property was recommended. If someone got hurt on the vacant land, they might be able to sue the landowner for damage. There have been reports on TBN about this happening.

Later,
Dan

 

[Michael Aos]

I noticed today that one of the "Private Property" signs I put up was gone, along with the post it was attached to.

Kind of expected to find the post nearby, but it's just gone.
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[Thomas]

If you can put up 2 game cams,1 about waist high facing posted sign 1 higher up looking down on posted...pictures best proof.:thumbsup:

 

[Mousefield]

If you can put up 2 game cams,1 about waist high facing posted sign 1 higher up looking down on posted...pictures best proof.:thumbsup:

He better hide the camera's real well, looks like they don't mind stealing things.

 

[sandman2234]

Somebody might need a few posts for their project. We added a building at the church and landscaping was done also. 6x6 timbers were used as borders for the flower beds, and those have been disappearing like rabbits in a hat! I considered cutting them halfway into with a chainsaw just to make them no longer usable for structure work, but my luck it wouldn't stop them.
David from jax

 

[widefat]

For the life of me, I can't figure out who benefits from blocking that new path.

I'm thinking it is a case of someone taking umbrage at your actions period. They know you had no right to do it, so they undo it just to send a message.
Be careful, the next step is someone coming into your backyard to escalate or prove a point.

 

[hawkeye08]

Ok, I'm going to suggest something different..

A read recently where a noisy dirt bike was playing nearby and disturbing a neighbor. He was going to do something and then realized that if he was 40 years younger, he would be out there talking to them, finding out more about them and their bike, not trying to chase them off..

Perhaps you could stop and talk to some of them, explain kindly your situation and them to help you solve it... could we move the trail a bit to lessen the noise problem (as you tried)? Approach them from a how can we make a few simple changes to allow the area to stay open. They probably don't want to lose the riding area, so if a few changes can be made to stop it from getting shutdown completely, it benefits all involved.

 

[airbiscuit]

"Hey you kids, get off of my porch"

 

[Michael Aos]

I probably didn't explain the situation clearly.

The motorcycles / ATV's can just drive around the signs. In either location.

I don't think it was the motorcycle / ATV folks that moved the sign and constructed the concrete barricade (that they can still drive around).

The only explanation that kind of makes sense to me is someone else that doesn't appreciate the motorcycles / ATV's being back there.

But even then, I can't figure out how it benefits anyone to move the sign and construct the barricade.
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Ok, I'm going to suggest something different..

A read recently where a noisy dirt bike was playing nearby and disturbing a neighbor. He was going to do something and then realized that if he was 40 years younger, he would be out there talking to them, finding out more about them and their bike, not trying to chase them off..

Perhaps you could stop and talk to some of them, explain kindly your situation and them to help you solve it... could we move the trail a bit to lessen the noise problem (as you tried)? Approach them from a how can we make a few simple changes to allow the area to stay open. They probably don't want to lose the riding area, so if a few changes can be made to stop it from getting shutdown completely, it benefits all involved.

 

[Michael Aos]

Yeah, that's kind of where I landed. I took my sign and pulled the my post out of the concrete barricade. I'm still probably going to remove the concrete barricade at some point.

I want to make the new path as inviting as possible, since several people are already using it instead of the old path.

Now that I think it through, maybe someone thought the ATV / motorcycle folks created the new path and are trying to deter them from using it?
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I'm thinking it is a case of someone taking umbrage at your actions period. They know you had no right to do it, so they undo it just to send a message.
Be careful, the next step is someone coming into your backyard to escalate or prove a point.

 

[airbiscuit]

A softer approach would be to plant some flowers where you had the post. Most will respect that. The idiots won't, but after a couple times most will have been trained - and nobody gets hurt