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[Runner]

For some reason, mfgrs feel compelled to constantly make cars heavier. Some of it related to gov. required safety "features", probably more related to consumer demanded features and a LOT related to the fact that they just won't build a "small" car anymore.

1990 Honda Civic - 2165 lbs - 31 mpg
2024 Honda Civic - 2877lbs - 31 mpg

Imagine the gas mileage you would get if you put a 2024 Civic engine in the 1990 car.

 

[garry1p]

Same with RV's I had a 31ft 1969 Airstream 3300 lbs today same size 10000 lbs.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

376x2.54x2.54x2.54=5.710cc is 5.7 liter.

Being on TBN has made me handy with unit conversions.

Oddly enough, by converting 5.7 liters to cubic inches I get 345 c.i. You must be using that modern math.

I assume that’s a 6.1 SRT Challenger or is it the 6.2 in a Hellcat?

No, the 6.1 should be 370 c.i. Or 369.7 to be precise.
See what happens when applying liters to perfectly good engines?

 

[dodge man]

Yes I own two 5.7 Hemi cars they are 345 cubic inches.

 

[WinterDeere]

My 1995 Volvo 440 had no emissions, but it had a plastic cover. My 1991 propane burning 440 of before the facelift, didnt. I think they do it on your SRT because in this day and age, a bare engine would look very 1980s on a modern car.

Well, the SRT is bare over the intake, probably just no room to put much there with that engine under that hood. But they do have plastic covers over the valve covers, which is weird because they're plastic replicas of valve covers over what I suspect is cast valve covers. There's no full engine cover, in that car.

I mean how much heat would be rejected through the valve cover, while the water cooled block is exposed and the oil pan hangs in the wind ? Sure there is a bottom cover, but it has vents....

Bottom cover on the SRT is full, no vents. My truck lacks any bottom cover though, other than steel skid plate. Durango has a full plastic bottom cover, but with a hole big enough to access oil pan drain and filter.

So, maybe you have a point here. Again, just passing along what I was told, and it did seem to make sense, for two reasons:

1. I can't see auto manufacturers spending that much money and effort on under-hood cosmetics that most buyers will never see.

2. The addition of that plastic did coincide with an increase in engine operating temperatures.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Durango has a full plastic bottom cover, but with a hole big enough to access oil pan drain and filter.

Glad you brought that up.

My recently acquired '19 has a large void that I thought was supposed to have a cover on it. You're saying that it's meant to be an open area?

Also, the TRX has a (useless?) cover over the engine while the 'Cats don't.

 

[WinterDeere]

My recently acquired '19 has a large void that I thought was supposed to have a cover on it. You're saying that it's meant to be an open area?

Our Durango is only the R/T version (5.7L Hemi), as it's my wife's daily driver and I couldn't talk her into anything faster than that. But yeah, on that version there's just an open hole in the bottom cover, which I reach up thru to access the oil filter. Like you, I kinda wondered if there should be a door hatch there, but there's no provisions for attachment if there were one, so I guess that's just supposed to stay open.

I personally hate it. I like the removable pan of the SRT much better. Four 10mm screws, I can have it off in about 10 seconds, and then everything is wide open. The Durango is almost as bad as the RAM, in terms of making a mess while removing the oil filter.

On the RAM, I've actually taken to hammering an awl thru the bottom of the filter to drain it, before removing. Otherwise you end up soaking the 4wd solenoids and front axle components with motor oil, just to have it drip in the driveway for the next two days.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Thanks, WinterDeere, that answers my question.

My Durango is a V6, but I had a V8 version for a while. Guess I should look at the photos I took of that one when it was on the lift and compare.

Looks like there are holes where a cover could be fastened, but I haven't found one as a separate part. Wouldn't take much to make one I suppose.

Okay, found the photo. Sure looks like there's a hole in that one, too.

 

[Renze]

The short lived life of a solar powered ferry... listen and laugh (unless youre a Schleswig-Holstein tax payer)

 

[Renze]

Imagine the gas mileage you would get if you put a 2024 Civic engine in the 1990 car.

My neighbour has a 1.8 liter Blacktop from a Mondeo, in his 2nd gen Escort weighing about 900kg. Its darn quick and remarkably fuel efficient.

He sold the one with a 2 liter 16V and four Mikuni carburettors off a Yamaha motorcycle. It did 155hp but used a lot of fuel on his daily 4km commute, with a cold engine always on choke.

 

[Renze]

376x2.54x2.54x2.54=5.710cc is 5.7 liter.

Being on TBN has made me handy with unit conversions.

Yeah, i must have made a typo on the calculator. 376 cubic inch is 6161cc or 6.2 liter.

I thought, the Perkins A6.354 was 5.8 liter, something is off..

 

[Too many Kubotas]

That really sums it up. Time for you guys to join the Metric world

How could it get any more metric than 6.1 and 6.2 liters?

 

[Renze]

How could it get any more metric than 6.1 and 6.2 liters?

When even you guys arent sure how many cubic inches your 6.2 is, its time to follow Britains example and ditch their imperial system...

Metrication in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It is rumored that when Daf trucks Holland (now under Paccar, the MX13 and MX11 are Dutch designs) took over the truck branch of British Leyland in 1987s, they sent the Brits back to the drawing board to convert their new engine which would become the Daf DNT620 to metric, to replace their 615 engine..

The 6BTs and Cat engines i layd a wrench on, had Metric fasteners, and apart from Cummins, all heavy truck engines built in the States today are European designs.

Its safe to say that there are no heavy duty engines in the world that are imperial designs, the US large industry is already Metric. So when hardware stores keep selling imperial and local manufacturers still use it, they are not doing the US consumer a favour, if you ask me.

 

[masseyrider]

When even you guys arent sure how many cubic inches your 6.2 is, its time to follow Britains example and ditch their imperial system...

Metrication in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Just a smidge over 61 cubic inches per litre.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

When even you guys arent sure how many cubic inches your 6.2 is, its time to follow Britains example and ditch their imperial system...

Okay, at first I wrote 376 cubes, but later added that it's apparently 376.3. Seems to me that you're the one having trouble here.

 

[Renze]

Okay, at first I wrote 376 cubes, but later added that it's apparently 376.3. Seems to me that you're the one having trouble here.

Yes, i mistyped on the calculator.

But you guys have the problem of requiring two sets of sockets and wrenches, because everything thats built in the US for the world markets is metric, while local manufacturers and hardware stores keep selling imperial fasteners, and machines assembled with them. (Or at least, when i was in Canada in 2005 we still put half inch bolts in grain vac piping in a Great Lakes port, instead of M12 even though gas was already sold per liter)

Here, the only guys that have imperial sockets and wrenches are those restoring classic UK cars from the 60s.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I still need both kinds for the stuff I'm working on. Heck, even the Unimogs are part SAE fasteners.

 

[Eagle1]

Yeah they could change to what ever standard and I would still need every type to work on the old stuff. Good machines are around a long time.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Hey Renze, do those evil 12 mm heads and nuts exist in Europe?

My metric tool sets from there have 12 mm wrenches and sockets, but here a metric set didn't use to include that size. And I don't recall ever needing them over there.

Seems that head size started appearing on American vehicles at some point in the 80s or so.

 

[ptsg]

Pretty much anything Korean or Japanese made will use 12 mm for a M8 bolt, which "normally" uses a 13 mm. They also use 14 mm wrench for a M10 bolt which normally uses a 17 mm wrench.