Sharpening chainsaws

/ Sharpening chainsaws #61  
Don't go snapping my vintage files! I get them re-sharpened. Usually better than factory, when I get them back.

I'm not sure how they do it, whether it's mechanical grinding or a chemical-etch process, but they come back damn near sharp as razors. Even the ones they mark as "reject" and don't charge me for, come back plenty sharp enough for my purposes.

I do recall they had more trouble with some of the older rasps, but it's honestly been enough years since I've had any re-sharpened, I forgot the what's and why's of all that.
Local OH company at one time Save Edge used to offer re-sharping of their files. Never checked into it though.

Some guys swear buy putting their old worn clogged files into vinegar.

Loved their files till 2020 hit and they no longer offer square or round for chainsaw files. Raker files too.

Most of their blanks came from overseas. Then they did them in house here.

Just their rasp etc for others stuff still. Save Edge



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/ Sharpening chainsaws #62  
Only if used wrong... which admittedly the teenager they put to the task in most saw shops will do. This was the basis in my final sentence about bench grinders a few pages back, "it's easy to wreck a whole lot of chain, real fast."

But in the hands of anyone who knows what they're doing, and using a decent stone, these problems are completely avoidable. You never lay into the tooth with the grinding stone, but instead it's a "tap-tap-tap" process, when sharpening teeth with a bench-mounted chain grinder.


A file is a mighty coarse tool, when it comes to sharpening any blade. Do you sharpen your pocket knife with a file, or a stone?

And yes, I know the reality of the situation is there are a lot of crappy stones out there on a lot of cheap Horror Freight grinders, doing an absolutely terrible job of sharpening. But as a matter of principle, which technology has the potential to generate a sharper and cleaner edge, stone or file?

Me? I fell and buck my own 10 - 14 cords of wood per year, mostly oak, so I've got more hours on the handles of a chainsaw than most non-pros. I can tell the difference between a hand-filed chain and a bench-ground chain for about the first minute of mounting it on the saw, just basically until the fresh chain is "de-burred". But from there until it's ready for the next sharpening, I really can't tell any difference in a chain that's been well-sharpened using either method.

That said, I'm not letting the kid at the saw shop do my chains, either. :D

To sharpen a knife you need to start coarse to make the edge, then you polish it to make it sharp, I find this comparison off since no one will do that with a saw. yeah your right stone would certainly create smoother edge then a file with a quality bench grinder and stone but the reality is unless you water cool it while grinding their will always be heat. Technique and quality tool certainly minimize that I perhaps never experience that.

Many things can go wrong with both method, they have their pros and cons, lots of emphasis are said for the bench grinder no so much for file sharpening and the reality is you may have perfected the bench grinding method and not your hand filing method, (just saying it as a variable not as absolute truth) because the reality is hand filling is as good has the individual that dose it on that giving time. It is a lot more constant with a bench grinder I agree.

I will admit I am pivoting and have a bias on hand filling, cost, time and practicality are factors.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #63  
I've used several file guides over the years. Most were terrible and discarded after first use. This fall I purchased a size appropriate chain sharpening dremmel bit. This is such a huge upgrade. It takes me minuets to touch up a 20" chain and my chains have never been sharper. The only caviate is that you still need to know what you're doing in terms of sharpening angles.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #65  
Local OH company at one time Save Edge used to offer re-sharping of their files. Never checked into it though
Still have a couple of boxes of the Save Edge. My favorite at that time. Have put my files in a coffee can with kerosene and then wire brush them. That seemed to have worked well but don't use saw as much as used to so now just take a file card dry to them
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #66  
I have a stihl USG for bulk

But I still prefer to just hand file if only a couple of my own chains or a friend comes in with 1 on his saw.

It's just so simple and only takes a min or so to touch up a 20" by hand. In round file.

If hand filing square I even do the lower pulled tight like this and use a chain break to lock chain. Shown on PP365

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/ Sharpening chainsaws #67  
Local OH company at one time Save Edge used to offer re-sharping of their files. Never checked into it though.

Some guys swear buy putting their old worn clogged files into vinegar.

Loved their files till 2020 hit and they no longer offer square or round for chainsaw files. Raker files too.

Most of their blanks came from overseas. Then they did them in house here.

Just their rasp etc for others stuff still. Save Edge



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Made in Portugal. Cool. Probably made by the Tomé Feteira factory, which is only 10 to 15 miles away from me. In there, in the top with the best files in the market.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #68  
Very interesting thread !
I happen to use the Husqvarna roller guide, works fairly well for me but I have never been able to figure out how to use the raker depth gauge so I just guess at it freehand with a raker file. Watching the video it seems pretty obvious I should buy a new round file mine seems pretty dull.
Really enjoyed watching the Oregon sharpener video, very educational think I’m going to start watching for some Oregon sharpening tools.
Or maybe one of those Pferd 2 in one tools.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #69  
With my raker gauge you just set it on the chain and align it with a raker. I then tilt the saw and then look to see if the raker sticks up above it. If it does I file a little off. I just check a couple of teeth and then file the rest the same amount.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #70  
The Timberline sharpener is one of the quickest to learn out there and does a very good job. It is made in Idaho, and repair parts, and adapters for other angles and chain sizes are available. It is around $125, but should last a noncommercial sawyer their lifetime. There are chiwanese versions for $100 less but have never seen or used one. So, can't recommend them.


 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #71  
The Timberline sharpener is one of the quickest to learn out there and does a very good job. It is made in Idaho, and repair parts, and adapters for other angles and chain sizes are available. It is around $125, but should last a noncommercial sawyer their lifetime. There are chiwanese versions for $100 less but have never seen or used one. So, can't recommend them.


A guy gave me one. I tried it... filing was way better so I gave it to a friend who cuts alot of wood. He ended up giving it to his dad. Don't know where it is now... garage sale fodder probably.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #72  
One day my buddies at work decided to bring in our chainsaw file guides. There must have been 10 different versions. It's kind of like fishing lures. We'll buy anything that we think will work better. (I own six of these varieties :oops: )
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/ Sharpening chainsaws #73  
Another note about the Dremel bits. I have only used the diamond embedded bits, which work well. I read that the stone bits deteriorate quickly, usually before completing a single chain. Something to consider...
This is a man who knows what he's talking about. Easy 10-15 faster with a dremel. Sharpens the hell out of it too. Look at the angle on the blade, and match it by hand. This isn't building watches. It doesn't have to be exact. With these give me 3 minutes, and my 28" bar/blade is ready to eat.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #74  
Years ago my wife & I took a small engine repair class at a local community College that a friend was teaching who owns a local sales & repair business of chainsaws, mowers...basically all lawn care products.
He said the depth gauge needs to be cut down a bit each time it's sharpened which makes sense, but said a lot of professionals cut the depth gauge down to the chain. I tried it and it cuts very fast.
Has anyone heard of this?
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/ Sharpening chainsaws #75  

Buckiin' Billy Ray Smith
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #76  
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I took this in to my dealer one day and said I was hoping to get a couple more sharpenings out of it. He just shook his head,
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #77  
Years ago my wife & I took a small engine repair class at a local community College that a friend was teaching who owns a local sales & repair business of chainsaws, mowers...basically all lawn care products.
He said the depth gauge needs to be cut down a bit each time it's sharpened which makes sense, but said a lot of professionals cut the depth gauge down to the chain. I tried it and it cuts very fast.
Has anyone heard of this?
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I've never tried this, but my one thought would be that you could overload the saw by taking too big of a bite with each cutter??
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #78  
Years ago my wife & I took a small engine repair class at a local community College that a friend was teaching who owns a local sales & repair business of chainsaws, mowers...basically all lawn care products.
He said the depth gauge needs to be cut down a bit each time it's sharpened which makes sense, but said a lot of professionals cut the depth gauge down to the chain. I tried it and it cuts very fast.
Has anyone heard of this?
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It give you a more aggressive chain. Cuts faster throwing noodles and not chips. It is also way more prone to kickback.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #79  
A guy gave me one. I tried it... filing was way better so I gave it to a friend who cuts alot of wood. He ended up giving it to his dad. Don't know where it is now... garage sale fodder probably.
Was it an actual timberline, or one of he Chiwanese knock offs? There is a big difference in how well they work.
 
/ Sharpening chainsaws #80  
Does anyone have tips on sharpening as well as a good file?
It's easier to show than tell. Plenty of good videos on Youtube on the subject. I did tree work for a living for over 20 years, FWIW. A few things to keep in mind:

-A vise can help keep things in place while you sharpen. I got so used to sharpening saws in the field that I don't bother using a vise, but if you're struggling, a vise can make the difference.
-Sharpen often. When I was doing tree work full time, a ground saw would get sharpened at least once a day, sometimes three or four times if it was being used to cut firewood rounds. A climbing saw, that didn't see dirt, might only get sharpened a couple times a week.
-Be very careful with powered sharpeners, Dremel tools, etc. I know some people swear by them, but it's very easy to get the tooth too hot and ruin the temper with those.
-Safety chain sucks and is a hassle to maintain.
-Keep the file at a very slight upward angle.
-Don't forget about the rakers. They need to be filed down as well. Not every time the teeth are filed, but they should be checked every so often. After a while, you can develop an eye for how far down they are and should be, but, generally speaking, they should be around .025" below the teeth tips. A bit more works fine if you're cutting softer wood, a bit less for harder.
-Stihl chain has a line stamped into the tooth that shows the optimal tooth angle. That's handy and in case you weren't aware, you don't need to have a Stihl saw in order to use Stihl chain.
-Pferd makes great files.
 

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