SMALL Polebarn costs: $45,000+??? YIKES!!!!

Bob_Skurka · Mar 3, 2005

So, I'll put you in with the rest of people that dont wash thier afterwards.

Steve
Is it just coincidence when the auto flush urinals malfunction before the auto faucets do?


That reminds me of the old saying: There are 2 kinds of men in the world . . . those who PEE in the shower, and those who don't but are lying about it.

BB_TX · Mar 3, 2005

Frank - If you are into do-it-yourself, Mueller Steel Building is a good way to go. You can still get a 30x40 for under $10K. Add a concrete floor and you can probably get out for under $15K. Extras such as additional doors, windows, insulation, etc may drive the cost up toward $20K. Their pre-fab kits are just bolt together. I put one up myself with no prior experience. A lot of work but something I am really happy with. See attached.

Dargo · Mar 3, 2005

/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Now that's not nice! I happen to be one of those who are a sissy and wear gloves in the barn when working because cut up greasy hands don't go well with a suit the next day at work. I actually sort of like the orange smell of the orange hand cleaner stuff that I have in the dispenser. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I even have the paper towel dispenser in there because I don't like the blower for drying hands. I always use the paper towel to open the door when I'm exiting; you never know if the person before you used proper hygene and washed before they grabbed the door knob! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Am I the only one who uses the paper towel to open the bathroom door from the inside when exiting a public bathroom? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Henro · Mar 3, 2005

Am I the only one who uses the paper towel to open the bathroom door from the inside when exiting a public bathroom? 

No, there are at least two of us... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Boy, reading this thread sure makes me feel good about my 24 x 26 shed I put up a couple years ago...no concrete floor though...but MUCH cheaper than what is being discussed here...some may remember that old thread... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rdln · Mar 3, 2005

Well, thats where I was going with my tag line and you fell into it! I use my shoed foot to flush (yes even the urinal), dispense the paper first, wash hands, tear paper towel off, dry, shut off faucet (if needed) with paper towel and open door with it.
Pity the fool that does not provide a trash can within arms length of the door.

And while the flu is going around, I try to open all doors with my elbow or hand wrapped with shirt/coat sleeve.

There was a study done showing that phones of all things were the dirtiest surface in an office building.

The closest bathroom at work has eight stalls, eight urinals and 8 faucets. The stalls never had autoflush but all of the urinals have been converted to levers.
The sink sensors all work fine, maybe it is a coincidence.

Moon · Mar 3, 2005

Henro;
I do remember you putting up your building. That was a good thread.

I also feel lucky to already have my pole barn. Dirt floor and no electric but it still came in less than 1/3 of Bob's low bid. And that was a 28 x 70 w/ shingle roof. That's been about 6 years ago though. (electric coming this spring /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Good luck Bob; sounds like the building restrictions can really cost ya. Just like tractor dealers, go with the builder who you can trust and that will be around to take care of the problems which will come up after the initial build.

Moon of Ohio

Soundguy · Mar 3, 2005

( More pricy than the Rolex are the hand made watches, if you want to get into beautiful watches, with hand cut gears and hand wound springs, nothing can touch my Piaget )

My FIl ( passed 2000 ) was a retired watchmaker. He had tons of equipment when we finally settled his estate.. parts.. electroplaters.. everything. He did the hand gear hobbing to.. what an art. Wish I would have been around him for more than the few years I knew him befor ethe cancer got him.

And yes.. piaget are nice.. I have one of his. Feel strange wearing it though...

Soundguy

daedong · Mar 3, 2005

Am I the only one who uses the paper towel to open the bathroom door from the inside when exiting a public bathroom?

No, there are at least two of us

And I thought I was the only one with psychological problems
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bczoom · Mar 3, 2005

( . . . but I digress. Now to bring all this back to tractoring I typically wear a Breitling or a CYMA when my hand may end up buried in mud or covered in grease.)

Since we've digressed to watches (I'm not going there on the potty habits of grown men...) but you wear a watch when working outside???? Don't you find that a little dangerous? The only thing I wear that's not inside a pocket is a cell phone. For me, all items (watches, wedding ring...) get left inside. I've seen too many incidents (primarily with rings) where fingers get ripped off or complete an electrical circuit.

Bob_Skurka · Mar 3, 2005

The wedding ring has been on my finger for nearly 20 years, it never comes off. Even when I work with electricity, and I have wired many of the fixtures in my house, even been known to do some of them at work when the sissies here want to call in a electrician to replace a simple switch. I am careful, lock the breaker box, etc.

As for watches, yup, wear them constantly too. I've snagged my arm a couple times, but never anything too serious. I actually find a loose shirt is more dangerous than just about anything else. Branches have grabbed more shirts than I can count and just about ripped me off a tractor a few times (the fact that I have Hawthorne trees probably accounts for some of that). And I rarely wear shorts when using a tractor because I've had the leg opening snag on a lever when jumping off the machine more than once . . . hanging from a lever just inches above the ground with all my weight suspened by my crotch has taught me that blue jeans and tractors work well together!

SOUNDGUY . . . sorry about the FIL, sounds like he was a good one. And you are right, a good watchmaker who can cut gears really is an artist to be admired. Heck my eyes are bad enough that I can barely see the teeth on the gears, I couldn't imagine actually cutting them.

Bird · Mar 3, 2005

( The wedding ring has been on my finger for nearly 20 years, it never comes off )

We got married April 28, 1965, and on December 29, 1965, my partner wrapped us around a tree in a squad car. Thank goodness someone removed my wedding band and class ring promptly at the hospital because it was over a month before the swelling in my hands went down enough that I could get a ring on again, and I haven't worn any kind of ring since. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

GRUMPA · Mar 3, 2005

I have always done my own work whenever possible. Heck even if I don't have the time I make the time. Our shed I'm building is 26x12 with a 20x16 greenhouse attached to that, with a cinder block wall. So far I've paid just in materials just under 4k, and one heck of a lot of sore joints. If your curious look here I realize it isn't a garage but if your handy tackle it yourself. When I build my 30x30 3 bay garage I don't expect to spend more than double what this project is going to cost me. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

rockinmywaypa · Mar 3, 2005

Is it possible that your trees just don't like hawian shirts?

Harleymsn · Mar 3, 2005

WOW!! I guess this is why I am headed to Tennessee (way out in the sticks!) No building restrictions like where you are Bob. My pole barn was put up in September by National Barn, Portland, Tn. Yes it has a dirt floor, no electric (yet) and no insulation. It is 30x50 x 10' high. 12' sliding door and 36" commercial steel door. Complete price (including 30' large roof vent) $8900.00
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forumfiles/579345-MVC_192F.JPG

JJT · Mar 3, 2005

( Am I the only one who uses the paper towel to open the bathroom door from the inside when exiting a public bathroom?

No, there are at least two of us

And I thought I was the only one with psychological problems
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

Nope, there are at least 3 of us.

Bob_Skurka · Mar 3, 2005

Is it possible that your trees just don't like hawian shirts? 

I suppose that is possible that the trees are taking offence to my shirts, my daughter thinks some of them are pretty embarrassing too!

As for the rest of the folks who are responding, we do have some modestly strict restrictions to deal with as to what I am allowed to build with. I have to use cedar siding because vinyl and aluminum siding are forbidden. Even in regards to wood siding, I'm not allowed to use T111 on anything larger than a 120 square feet (10' by 12') garden shed. Because my house is brick and cedar, any structure over 120 square feet has to have building materials that are substantially similar to the house. Houses are regulated by an architectural control committee and must also conform to land covenants, together the two are substantially more restrictive than county & state building codes. There are even limits on how large structures can be! To save money I know I could act as the general contractor on this project, but as I outlined earlier in the thread, I simply do not have time to do that this year.

BigAl · Mar 3, 2005

Hi Bob ,
Just a thought, you might want to explore . Have you contacted your local "Builder's Exchange" in your area ? Most counties have them and usually the better contractors belong to these groups . You can advertise and invite Licensed Builders to bid your project . This way you can get from 3 or more bids . This is the way the big projects are bid . We would pay a refundable deposit for the set of plans and spec's for the proposed project ,bid the job , and wait for the results . You can "Throw out all the bids" if you think they are too high or accept the lowest bid , your choice . This way ,everyone is bidding "Apples for Apples" .

I like the way the bidding process is done in Europe :

5 bids are accepted , high and low bids are thrown out , remaining 3 are averaged and closest to average wins the contract .

By the way , I just finished a 26'x28' concrete slab garage with attached 8'x26' breeze way ,old growth "yellow pine" board and batten siding (custom cut to match the old ranch house ) 2 - 10'x8' Oversize roll up sectional doors with auto openers , all 2"x6" wall construction , 4' high 8"concrete block foundation on two sides for retaining soil and slope, 1 "custom made" "yellow pine" walk through door(36") to match existing Ranch doors , Colored steel roof designed for a 200 pound snow load per square foot , Insulated ,sheetrocked ,tape & textured,painted inside and out ,enclosed overhangs and soffits ,all electric , and a 30,000 btu Blue Flame heater . $11,000 . Yes I built it myself in 3 1/2 weeks . By myself ,with no helpers other than my wife bringing me the concrete block from the pallets , when I did the concrete work.
What I am saying is that sure sounds like a lot of money for labor, required permits , overhead and profit . I think I would get a few more bids .
Oh ! and one more thing . You did not KNOW what CARHART"S were ???? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard admitted by anyone here on TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif You should have your tractor put up on blocks and not be allowed to touch it for one year !!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif And you call yourself a tractor man. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Big Al

OkeeDon · Mar 4, 2005

( We got married April 28, 1965...)

Bird, this is getting eerie, like a parallel universe or something. We were both born in '40, graduated high school in '58, and married in '65 -- mine was August 28, exactly 4 months after you. However, I've never had my ring off; it would have to be cut off. It's the only jewelry or accessory I ever wear, other than belt buckles...

...to everyone else, I thought I knew a lot about cars, but I never heard of car hearts...

...my cell phone keeps the time from a central source, always seems to be accurate...

...and I estimate it's going to cost me about $30K to build a stick-built and interior-finished barn on a slab with a gambrel roofed 2nd floor storage area, a little bigger than Bob's. But, I will serve as the contractor, and my s-i-l, his firemen colleagues and I will do a fair amount of the work. I'm not at all surprised at a $40K bid from a contractor in the Chicago area. The first guy is a bandit. My s-i-l is having an addition put on his house for about $40K; the first bid was $76K.

bgott · Mar 4, 2005

"So I get in touch with a builder who lives near me and goes to my church"

You said a mouthful there! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif First off, never use someone from your church. They figure you won't bad mouth them and they figure you'll take their bid and run with it, being ate up with brotherhood and all that. You want to avoid fellow members of the JayCee's, too. I used to work as a mechanic for a JayCee member and the worst screwin's he gave out were to fellow members. They got to him on a regular basis, also. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Find you a contractor who knows neither you nor anybody in your neighborhood and convince him that you can get him a lot more work as long as he does you a good job. Set it up so a neighbor or two show up when he inspects the site and have them mention that they need work done, too. That might give him enough incentive to do you a good job just to get more business. I'm not in your part of the country so I don't know what the prevailing rate would be but it sounds like someone needs a new truck!

bgott · Mar 4, 2005

Methinks a few of you guys might be a wee bit **** with the hand washing and door handle handling. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Us mechanics wash our hands *before* using the facilities. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Short version of an old joke, edited to keep from starting WWIII. Two guys use the facilities, one guy goes to leave, second guy remarks on being trained to wash after said usage, first guy remarks on being trained to not pee on one's hands! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif