Snow plowing over gravel.

/ Snow plowing over gravel. #21  
Slitting the pipe was the easypart. I used a torch on a track to slit it straight. Dealing with the residual stresses in the pipe that made it twist up took some work. The welding was the easy part.

Wouldn't eliminating the "slit" and just welding the "mounting flange" to the radius, handle the snow load? .. maybe a reinforcement gusset on the back side, here and there. ??
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel.
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Thats what i did. I had some channel approx. 2" web x 1/2" flange and welded 4 slotted tabs to the pipe to bolt to every other cutting edge mounting bolt. Ill get some pictures of it.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #23  
If you just want to try out the 'pipe' edge method, go to a plumbing supply shop and buy a lenght of black ABS pipe. You can use normal white PVC stuff, but it tends to crack real easy, especially cold. I use a 2" pipe, but it really depends on how far up from your replaceable cutting edge the bolts are that hold it on. The bolts that stick out the back is what helps to keep the pipe on. After getting the right size pipe, CAREFULLY slit the pipe on your table saw. Set the fence on the saw so the blade is about in the middle of the pipe, lower the blade down to cut only one side of the pipe, wear glasses, watch fingers, etc. After you get the pipe slit, cut it to the lenght of your blade. Raise the blade up off the floor. Then spread one end of the slit open with a big screwdriver [ or whatever ] and push it onto the end on the blade to start it. The pipe should be sized so it will fit over the ends of the bolt ends [ the ones with the nuts and lockwashers ], again, this is what holds it in place on most blades. Push the slit pipe on as far as you can, which probably won't be far, then drive it all the way onto the blade with a big dead blow hammer. [ You know, the 42oz orange one that you allways use. ] The ABS is not indestructable, but will last quite a while if you don't smash it into stuff. I have never tried it, but I would like to try some big industrial rubber hose some winter. That might last longer.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #24  
I just took this picture of my slit steel pipe on the blade of a Meyer FEL plow. The pipe was slit with a plasma cutter and was driven on from the end with a hammer.

The welding shop put steel "tabs" on the pipe and set screws which bite above the cutting edge on the blade. This is a bit different than we had talked about doing.....but it should work. I'm hoping this pipe will provide a skid-shoe effect.

The pic is not very good best...but the assembly is getting sand-blasted and painted now. More pics when its done and mounted to my tractor.
 

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/ Snow plowing over gravel. #25  
Wouldn't eliminating the "slit" and just welding the "mounting flange" to the radius, handle the snow load? .. maybe a reinforcement gusset on the back side, here and there. ??

There are a lot of different ways to "skin this cat".

I chose to place the attachment plate deep into the pipe so that the weld would not take all the bending stress that it would have if had just welded the exterior of the pipe to the plate. The down side of my design/fab is that after 22 years, the pipe is getting worn down and I'll either have to remove the old pipe and replace it or get a bigger pipe and weld it on over the old one. But you know, 22+ years of winter use ain't bad for any device.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #26  
I just took this picture of my slit steel pipe on the blade of a Meyer FEL plow. The pipe was slit with a plasma cutter and was driven on from the end with a hammer.

The welding shop put steel "tabs" on the pipe and set screws which bite above the cutting edge on the blade. This is a bit different than we had talked about doing.....but it should work. I'm hoping this pipe will provide a skid-shoe effect.

The pic is not very good best...but the assembly is getting sand-blasted and painted now. More pics when its done and mounted to my tractor.

I must be missing something.What holds the plate wityh the pipe on to the plow?
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #27  
i agree with dave,i do the same,leave the first snow fall on there and drive on it and leave it freeze and pack it down and then you have a good base.then you will not be pulling gravel.i have a 300 ft driveway that is gravel.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #28  
i agree with dave,i do the same,leave the first snow fall on there and drive on it and leave it freeze and pack it down and then you have a good base.then you will not be pulling gravel.i have a 300 ft driveway that is gravel.



Yep....that method works good on SOME years. But if the ground isn't frozen before a big snowfall.....you will have a mess. Also...if you gravel is dry it can be an issue. Also, in some areas of the country the ground may thaw and freezes all winter long. Sod is a whole 'nother issue.

In short....no ONE method is best for everyone. ;)
 
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Ours here in central Ohio will freeze and thaw all winter long.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #30  
I must be missing something.What holds the plate wityh the pipe on to the plow?

Jerry.....I am a little skeptical about how that pipe was attached too. My welding shop concocted this arrangement after we talked about welding a nut on the outside of the slit pipe (for a jamb-nut). (There is a 1/4" x 1 1/2" strap about 18" from each end, with a jamb-nut which rests above the plow edge....if you look real close.)

He claims it is going to hold, and his advice is normally sound.....so I let it be good for now. BUT....I could not lift my plow to wiggle around on the tube to verify his point....so it's gonna have to wait till I mount the plow.

I have the plow at the sandblast and paint shop now......after-which I will mount it on my tractor. If it looks like holding the slit tube in place will be an issue.....I may revert back to my original intent and weld a nut on the outside of the tube. :thumbsup:
 
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/ Snow plowing over gravel. #31  
I have been running the steel pipe with a slit for 5 years now on my western plow on my truck, and it works great. I hold mine on with a 1/4" bolt drilled thru it on each end.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #32  
Jerry.....I am a little skeptical about how that pipe was attached too. My welding shop concocted this arrangement after we talked about welding a nut on the outside of the slit pipe (for a jamb-nut). (There is a 1/4" x 1 1/2" strap about 18" from each end, with a jamb-nut which rests above the plow edge....if you look real close.)

He claims it is going to hold, and his advice is normally sound.....so I let it be good for now. BUT....I could not lift my plow to wiggle around on the tube to verify his point....so it's gonna have to wait till I mount the plow.

I have the plow at the sandblast and paint shop now......after-which I will mount it on my tractor. If it looks like holding the slit tube in place will be an issue.....I may revert back to my original intent and weld a nut on the outside of the tube. :thumbsup:

My pipe is slit full length and the attach plate goes all the way through as does yours but mine is welded the full length on the attach plate on both sides. It then bolts through using the same holes as the grader blade. It will be interesting to see how your holds up. As long as you're dragging snow, the friction is realtively small but I often hit rocks coming up from the road base on part of my place where I don't have a finish topping of 3/4"- gravel. Nonethe less the hard part is done on yours. If you have problems there are several ways you can easily fix it. i'm sure you're going to be happy with it though.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #33  
I have been running the steel pipe with a slit for 5 years now on my western plow on my truck, and it works great. I hold mine on with a 1/4" bolt drilled thru it on each end.

Welcome to TBN Dartman. Glad you posted. :thumbsup:
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #34  
I have a 250 foot gravel driveway and use a 5 ft. box blade. At the beginning of the season and for the first few snow falls I extend the top link to the max. The rear blade drags on the ground and the front blade is about 2 inches off the ground. When the ground freezes and you have a gradual build up of snow using this method you can lower the top link and start cutting the accumulated snow down to where you are happy.

I never haul any gravel off the driveway using this method.

Fred
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #35  
This is my solution to keeping the gravel on the driveway but the snow off of it. The OD of the pipe is is 2 1/2 inches.
 

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/ Snow plowing over gravel. #36  
For many years I used my mf 35 and a 3 point blade to clear my limestone drive. What I found was to simply turn the blade around like I was going to push in reverse. Go forward and this removes the snow and leaves the gravel!
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #37  
Slitting the steel pipe is totally unnecessary.

Weld 2 or 3 tabs on it, just like the OP was considering, and bolt it on through the holes used to hold the cutting edge on the plow.

The whole job will take a few minutes.

Yes, the pipe will help to keep the plow from moving the gravel.

As someone mentioned, packing the first few inches of snow down, is the best way to keep the gravel in place.

I use a loader mounted plow with the pipe, and a set of pneumatic tires as gauge wheels. Last year, plowing over 300 feet of drive, I barely moved a plastic pail full of gravel all winter.

Don't forget snow fence. It can greatly reduce, and even sometimes eliminate snow from accumulating on your drive.

It takes some trial and error to find the perfect spot for the snow fence. Most people put the snow fence too close. I set mine back 50' from the drive. When the conditions are right, the wind deposits the snow it would pile in my drive, around the fence. Then the wind continues onward and blows the snow that has fallen on my drive away, and that's a wonderful thing.
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #38  
I put 2.5" exhaust pipe on my woods 60" back blade. I sliced it with a plasma cutter, and had to pound it on with a hammer from the side, it was a very tight fit. After pushing snow for a little bit, it loosened up and fell off, and wouldn't stay on again, so I put an inch weld on each end and one in the middle on both sides of it... only to find out that thin layer that I was leaving on only made me slip and slide without chains(it's not a steep drive... but steep enough) so I cut off the pipe, and just took my chances with the gravel... right now my driveway is a muddy mess if it rains... :(
 
/ Snow plowing over gravel. #39  
Just finished getting my plow painted....and took a better pic of my slit pipe and hold-down bracket for my meyer plow. The pipe was slit with a plasma torch. I think the strap and bolt will hold the pipe in place. Gonna find out soon. ;);)
 
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Oops forgot the pic.....
 

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