Subsoiler recommendation

[KilroyJC]

Good Morning!

I think I need a subsoiler, because I am clearing some badly-overgrown land with plenty of vine roots, brush roots, terr roots, roots roots and more roots.

Plus rocks.

I looked at the CountyLine Subsoiler from TS, but based on reviews, the weld quality is inconsistent.

or, if I make my own, any design suggestions would also be appreciated.

THANK YOU!!!!

 

[old and tired]

I have two of them: Fred Cain 3 Point Hitch Subsoiler (back when Fred Cain made them!!) Which is too tall for my tractor but I could not pass on it for $100.

The other is Agrisupply one that I've loaned out both of them. 3 Point Subsoiler-Subsoiler Attachment | Agri Supply #73410 That was a buck fifty when I bought it a while back. Where abouts are you in "Appalachia"??

Decided I might as well drill new holes to raise the Fred Cain one so I could use it but what the heck...

 

[old and tired]

Also, it would help to ID the vines since ripping them out just pisses them off and they can sprout up in a million more areas. Might be best to kill them first with chemicals, then play with them. I learned that the hard way....

 

[KilroyJC]

I have two of them: Fred Cain 3 Point Hitch Subsoiler (back when Fred Cain made them!!) Which is too tall for my tractor but I could not pass on it for $100.

The other is Agrisupply one that I've loaned out both of them. 3 Point Subsoiler-Subsoiler Attachment | Agri Supply #73410 That was a buck fifty when I bought it a while back. Where abouts are you in "Appalachia"??

Decided I might as well drill new holes to raise the Fred Cain one so I could use it but what the heck...

Macon County -how about you?

 

[KilroyJC]

Also, it would help to ID the vines since ripping them out just pisses them off and they can sprout up in a million more areas. Might be best to kill them first with chemicals, then play with them. I learned that the hard way....

Most look like Virginia Creeper.

I am trying to avoid chemicals as much as I can, and since I only have a disc plow but not a bottom plow, I figure a Subsoiler would be the simplest implement to deal with as a first “treatment”

 

[jeff9366]

1. What is the tractor brand / tractor model you will be using?

The tractor's weight and drive, 2-WD or 4-WD, will control the subsoiler you can pull.​

2. As you have a Disc Plow for Primary Tillage, consider an All Purpose Plow for SecondaryTillage.

An APP will penetrate 12" to 14" deep.​

Dirt Dog - All Purpose Plow / Field Cultivator REVIEW + PICTURES

Dirt Dog All Purpose Plow / Field Cultivator Dirt Dog Model APP 66-5 Total Width 66", Working Width 62", Five Tines, Weight 284 Pounds, Paid $835.00 (2010) Field Cultivator: A Three Point Hitch mounted, secondary tillage implement, used to perform operations such as soil aeration...

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3. Though you have a Disc Plow, consider a Moldboard Plow rather than a Subsoiler.

A 16" Moldboard Plow will sever roots 9" below the surface if your tractor has enough traction to pull one. For safe plowing of roots you will need a trip plow or a shear bolt protected plow to make sure your tractor will not flip over backwards.​

 

[MF243RedTop]

If you have the tractor that can pull it... Anything like this would work just fine ..
Dealing with new ground and roots don't go cheap and light... Jus going to pay for later

 

[nyone]

I would get a box blade with ripper teeth for vines and the such. Drop all the tines down and suck the top link in. You can cover alot more area useing this vs a single tooth. It also has other uses as a box blade.

 

[jeff9366]

I would get a box blade with ripper teeth for vines and the such. Drop all the tines down and suck the top link in. You can cover alot more area useing this vs a single tooth. It also has other uses as a box blade.

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I've done that.

Box Blade shanks are broad and straight, designed for chipping asphalt. High draft force resistance. So it does not take much of a root to stop forward motion. When I removed three shanks, leaving two, one snapped off at the pin hole. $50 with shipping. Shank penetration for my Box Blade about 5".

The photo shows perfect soil moisture for pulling out PENCIL DIAMETER roots with my Rollover Box Blade.


APP tines are thinner and parabolic shaped, so the tine points pull horizontally through the earth. Much less draft force resistance. More residual power for pulling out roots.

APP tines are protected by individual reset springs. I have snapped off one replaceable tine point which reversed to a second point. (( Double ended point $7 delivered. ))
Never have broken nor distorted a spring protected tine.

Tine penetration 12" to 14".


This is what an APP will pull out of Florida sandy-loam for an operator with two days experience.

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[jeff9366]

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[ctgoldwing]

I used EA's subsoiler to trench 150' in the root infested woods A couple of large ones stopped me but one or two more passes ripped them apart.
Here is what it looked like just after assembly. Comes with a shear bolt.

 

[old and tired]

Macon County -how about you?

Wake Co. but I'll be driving close (Hwy-74) through Nantahala around Christmas time. I have to check with the guy that has it now... see if he is done with it.

Virginia Creeper should be pretty easy to control!!

 

[JohnnyMX]

I have the TSC subsoiler and run a 50hp tractor. That model has no shear bolt so you must either make sure your implement/tractor combo is in line or go slow. Not sure how much land you are working but it is a single shank. Depending on how much area needs to be covered a field cultivator as Jeff mentioned above also works but has the safety of the springs to trip if you hit something really hard. It will pull up roots, rocks, etc. I have one of those as well and it does very good. It also gives you the ability to drop shanks if you want to go deeper or leave them to cover more ground considering your machines hp, weight, and traction. Subsoiler can be used to bury lines, and cultivator can be use as a plow once you get the trash off the ground so neither is a one trick pony.

 

[KilroyJC]

1. What is the tractor brand / tractor model you will be using?

The tractor's weight and drive, 2-WD or 4-WD, will control the subsoiler you can pull.​

2. As you have a Disc Plow for Primary Tillage, consider an All Purpose Plow for SecondaryTillage.

An APP will penetrate 12" to 14" deep.​

Dirt Dog - All Purpose Plow / Field Cultivator REVIEW + PICTURES

Dirt Dog All Purpose Plow / Field Cultivator Dirt Dog Model APP 66-5 Total Width 66", Working Width 62", Five Tines, Weight 284 Pounds, Paid $835.00 (2010) Field Cultivator: A Three Point Hitch mounted, secondary tillage implement, used to perform operations such as soil aeration...

www.tractorbynet.com

3. Though you have a Disc Plow, consider a Moldboard Plow rather than a Subsoiler.

A 16" Moldboard Plow will sever roots 9" below the surface if your tractor has enough traction to pull one. For safe plowing of roots you will need a trip plow or a shear bolt protected plow to make sure your tractor will not flip over backwards.​

1962 Case 430 Diesel 2WD, loaded tires

 

[KilroyJC]

Wake Co. but I'll be driving close (Hwy-74) through Nantahala around Christmas time. I have to check with the guy that has it now... see if he is done with it.

Virginia Creeper should be pretty easy to control!!

Wave as you Go past!

bonus tip: Kostas Restaurant in Dillsboro is closed Wednesdays, but is a good stop for lunch - take the US441 South exit toward Atlanta, at the bottom of the hill make a left and it’s about 50 yards on the right.

 

[old and tired]

Wave as you Go past!

bonus tip: Kostas Restaurant in Dillsboro is closed Wednesdays, but is a good stop for lunch - take the US441 South exit toward Atlanta, at the bottom of the hill make a left and it’s about 50 yards on the right.

Will do!!! Usually have to wait it out for lunch in Murphy.

 

[jeff9366]

1962 Case 430 Diesel 2WD, loaded tires

J.I. Case 430​

Mechanical
Chassis:	4x2 2WD
Steering:	manual
	power*
Brakes:	mechanical band/disc
Cab:	Open operator station
Transmissions:	4-speed unsynchronized gear
	12-speed unsynchronized gear
	8-speed mechanical shuttle

Dimensions
Wheelbase:	75.25 inches 191 cm
Length:	130.2 inches 330 cm
Width:	61.375 inches 155 cm
Height (hood):	50.5 inches 128 cm
Shiping weight:	3125 lbs 1417 kg
Front tread:	47.5 inches 120 cm
Rear tread:	48 to 76 inches 121 to 193 cm
Rear tread:	58/66 inches 147/167 cm

Your Case 430 can pull a single shank Subsoiler. Probably not at full depth through dry soil.

Your Case 430 can pull a four-tine All Purpose Plow. PHOTO.

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[KilroyJC]

J.I. Case 430​

Mechanical
Chassis:	4x2 2WD
Steering:	manual
	power*
Brakes:	mechanical band/disc
Cab:	Open operator station
Transmissions:	4-speed unsynchronized gear
	12-speed unsynchronized gear
	8-speed mechanical shuttle

Dimensions
Wheelbase:	75.25 inches 191 cm
Length:	130.2 inches 330 cm
Width:	61.375 inches 155 cm
Height (hood):	50.5 inches 128 cm
Shiping weight:	3125 lbs 1417 kg
Front tread:	47.5 inches 120 cm
Rear tread:	48 to 76 inches 121 to 193 cm
Rear tread:	58/66 inches 147/167 cm

Your Case 430 can pull a single shank Subsoiler. Probably not at full depth through dry soil.

Your Case 430 can pull a four-tine All Purpose Plow.

THANK YOU!

info like that is very helpful

And, In the neighbor’s wood line there are a couple two- and three- blade plows. . .

 

[SmallChange]

I have what I think is the same as the TSC, though it was Central Tractor back when I bought it (I believe Central Tractor was bought by TSC and absorbed). It has been fine for roots.

As to weld quality consistency, well, no promises, but you can look at one all you want before you buy it. Assuming you can buy it in person from a store, that is.

P.S. Yes, TSC and Central Tractor merged in 1999 under the TSC name.