trailer weights 9990 or 10000

[CumminsLuke]

Like these here....................

Model 48-50

Lo Pro

 

[Builder]

You and I have been debating things online for years. I am not sure you even realize who I am? You sure have done a complete 180 in a lot of areas, especially brand of truck.

Anyhow, not trying to bust your chops.

That's OK, go ahead & bust 'em. I ain't runnin. Sometimes people switch brands. To stay with one brand for a lifetime is just stupid since that brand may not offer certain options or have declining quality.
Where else have I done a 180 other than the kind of pickup I drive?

" Tell me this though, when I pull up to the auto auction and there are 20 1-ton pick-ups pulling 48'-53' wedge car haulers and they are all plated for somewhere around 26k-36k, how is it that we all get by with that without being nailed? What about the hundreds if not thousands of hot shotters out there running at the same levels as me, they are legal as far as licensing issues are concerned and I know they have the proper insurance as do I. How do they get by with it?"

They do in my state! I just spoke with my DOT MVCE cop friend yesterday and he is busting 3 & 4 wedge car haulers all over the place!

If people are allowed to register their trucks beyond the safe limits they're designed for, then what's to keep them from towing a 20 ton concrete mixer? How about a 5,000 gallon tanker???

Using your logic, in your mind, there seems to be no limit as to what you can tow, right?

So where does it end?

What does "MAX GCWR 24,000 LBS" listed for your truck mean to you?

Nothing?

You do realize that if you're involved in a collision especially one with personal injuries, lawyers are going to go through your truck/trailer with a fine tooth comb and see if you're out of spec on any of the limits, right? When they find one, you're gonna get sued for everything you own!

I'm not trying to scare you, just maybe make you realize you're at risk doing exceeding your manufacturers maximum safety ratings.

Flame away!

 

[CumminsLuke]

Using your logic, in your mind, there seems to be no limit as to what you can tow, right?

So where does it end?

What does "MAX GCWR 24,000 LBS" listed for your truck mean to you?

Nothing?

Na, there are limits.

There is no "Max GCWR" stamped on a truck. Only GVW's and axle GVW's. There is no way a cop or a dot man can possibly have all the GCWR's for every make and model of truck, even the axle ratio effects that number, and they are not going to be able to look at a truck and know what axle ratio it has. Only way I know they can give you a ticket is if you are over the weight you are plated for, over on you axle ratings per axle, or you are over your tires rated capacity.

 

[CumminsLuke]

These are the kind of loads I haul..........

 

[Builder]

Na, there are limits.

There is no "Max GCWR" stamped on a truck. Only GVW's and axle GVW's. There is no way a cop or a dot man can possibly have all the GCWR's for every make and model of truck, even the axle ratio effects that number, and they are not going to be able to look at a truck and know what axle ratio it has. Only way I know they can give you a ticket is if you are over the weight you are plated for, over on you axle ratings per axle, or you are over your tires rated capacity.

Incorrect. DMV can run your VIN and determine your max GCWR. Besides, any cop with as much knowledge as Barney Fife knows there's nop pickup with a GCWR over 24-26K anyway. MVCE cops go to a school to learn all the tricks you try to pull over on them and believe me, your area cops will wise-up to the laws sooner or later.

By making the statement

"No way a cop or DOT man can possibly have all the GCWR's of every make and model of truck"

aren't you really still breaking the law and in denial? Aren't you saying "Even though Dodge has told me the max GCWR and I'm exceeding that safety limit, I won't get caught because the cops can't see it stamped on the door jamb"?

Look at it this way: Why do big rigs have GCWR's stamped on them?

 

[Builder]

These are the kind of loads I haul..........

Those loads don't look much in excess of a duallies trailer tow capacity, but it does have a suspicious squat to it. You'd be pulled over in my state and checked in a MVCE station.

I bet you're over GCWR on the first picture with the two trucks in tow. I'd guess the GCWR is only ~22,000. I bet those 2 trucks weigh 7,500 each, the trailer weighs 4,000 and the empty towing truck weighs 7,500. That's over 26,000 lbs. No way that truck is rated for 26,000 by Dodge. I don't care if you "register" it for 100,000 lbs, that doesn't mean you know more about what the truck can carry than Dodge, right?

If I am caught anything over the GVWR on my dumptruck, I'm fined and put out of service until the load is transferred to another truck.

Why should you be any different? Just because you truck is a little smaller?

 

[CumminsLuke]

I'm not saying I am legal, I am not even close to legal. The first pic the two trucks weigh about 7,500 each, the trailer goes 8,000, and the truck pulling goes 8,000.

DOT in my state can not run a VIN and know what axle ratio a truck has, and that will affect GCWR. Maybe your state is different?

The GCWR decal on a road tractor is not the manufacturers rating, it is what they are plated for. And most states that is 80,000, except for farm vehicles(at least in my state) which I believe can go up to around 100,000k while transporting commodities, and you should see some of the rigs those guys run if I make you nervous!

Neither of those loads are over on axle or tire ratings on either the truck or the trailer.

 

[Builder]

I'm not saying I am legal, I am not even close to legal."

That's all I'm saying. I don't feel comfortable operating an illegally loaded (overloaded) vehicle. I think that' what the whole converstaion is about. I can hook my truck to a 20K trailer. Will it pull it? Sure. Is it legal? No. Is it safe? I don't think operating any equipment beyond the manufacturer recommended capacity is safe, ESPECIALLY when you've got innocent people riding down the highway nexty to you who could be harmed or killed.

"The first pic the two trucks weigh about 7,500 each, the trailer goes 8,000, and the truck pulling goes 8,000.

DOT in my state can not run a VIN and know what axle ratio a truck has, and that will affect GCWR. Maybe your state is different?"

Definately different. A simple cell phone call can fetch a lot of information on all the information of a vehicle, especially when it's a cop doing the asking

Axle ratios? Why do you keep bringing this up? Axle capacity is what counts, not ratio.

"The GCWR decal on a road tractor is not the manufacturers rating, it is what they are plated for. And most states that is 80,000, except for farm vehicles(at least in my state) which I believe can go up to around 100,000k while transporting commodities, and you should see some of the rigs those guys run if I make you nervous!"

That's incorrect, it most surely IS the manufacturer's rating . Most (not all) bigger trucks will have the GVWR stamped on the door jamb sticker. Most light trucks, although they have a GCWR, do not usually have the GCWR stamped on the door jamb sticker

"Neither of those loads are over on axle or tire ratings on either the truck or the trailer.

Something must be. With the weights you describe, I'd bet your rear axle is over. We know for sure, even by your own admission, you're over your trucks GCWR. That's enough to be put out of service and fined at a minimum and have the shirt sued off your back in a serious accident with personal injury.

 

[CumminsLuke]

That's all I'm saying. I don't feel comfortable operating an illegally loaded (overloaded) vehicle. I think that' what the whole converstaion is about.

I don't know, I guess I just get sick and tired of every guy pulling a BX2200 behind and F150 come on here and ask if he needs a CDL?

 

[Builder]

I don't know, I guess I just get sick and tired of every guy pulling a BX2200 behind and F150 come on here and ask if he needs a CDL?

I AGREE! !!!

LMAO.