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   / Wind Generation #101  
Just because you don’t see smoke belching from the stack doesn’t mean that mercury, sulfur dioxide and other nasty toxins aren’t in the exhaust.
I agree. I had the honor of drafting the Oklahoma Clean Air act back in the 90's, and I can assure that any coal fired plant in this state not only has a permit, but must control emissions of SO2; Mercury, radio active elements, etc. and dispose of these nasty things in an environmentally acceptable manner. One thing that makes natural gas cheaper, is that it is cleaner to begin with, although some nasty things like SO2 must be removed when present.
 
   / Wind Generation #102  
I have no clue what you are talking about, but the reason that I know that natural gas is cheaper is because the power companies have said this. I assume that these companies understand the economics of power generation. We have had multiple feature stories in newspapers where local power companies have stated the big cost savings of coal plant conversion to gas. And you are speaking absolute nonsense about being out of natural gas. This is one of the most abundant energy resources in America and my state is the number 2 producer. Petroleum companies are doing quite well at this time, and my state has a $1.6 billion budget surplus this year due to oil and gas drilling revenues. The industry has made statements that there is a 2-300 year supply of untapped natural gas resources in America. And yes the oil companies are drilling and piping this gas at this time, unlike misinformation to the contrary.
Your state better check with the feds. No more leases on federal lands since November of last year.
 
   / Wind Generation #103  
Your state better check with the feds. No more leases on federal lands since November of last year.
The moratorium has ended, and it had no immediate effect because oil companies have millions of acres of previously issued federal land drilling permits that they could drill, but have yet to do so. I’m a federal land manager and am very familiar with the situation. The primary reason for the moratorium was to assess fair market value of federal permits. The US taxpayer was getting screwed by the oil companies getting permits at prices that haven’t been updated for many decades. Permits on state and private lands are much higher than drilling permits on federal lands. The assessment is intended to establish fair market value.
 
   / Wind Generation #104  
The moratorium has ended, and it had no immediate effect because oil companies have millions of acres of previously issued federal land drilling permits that they could drill, but have yet to do so. I’m a federal land manager and am very familiar with the situation.
Humm, didn't realize the moratorium ended. Good to know. Glad to see coal booming here again as well. We're going to need energy.
 
   / Wind Generation #105  
Humm, didn't realize the moratorium ended. Good to know. Glad to see coal booming here again as well. We're going to need energy.
As I stated, the moratorium wouldn’t have effected operations for years anyway. There are so many acres of federal leases that have been held by oil companies and not yet drilled.
 
   / Wind Generation #106  
The moratorium has ended, and it had no immediate effect because oil companies have millions of acres of previously issued federal land drilling permits that they could drill, but have yet to do so. I’m a federal land manager and am very familiar with the situation. The primary reason for the moratorium was to assess fair market value of federal permits. The US taxpayer was getting screwed by the oil companies getting permits at prices that haven’t been updated for many decades. Permits on state and private lands are much higher than drilling permits on federal lands. The assessment is intended to establish fair market value.
The moratorium ended?
 
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#107  
Without diesel fuel , i suppose in my area i'm looking forward to seeing farm equipment docking at a wind tower to recharge a trailer full of batteries hitched between the tractor and implement . The farmer will need to furnish his own cable because the wind power co. failed to provide any . LMAO , but in reality it won't be funny if that happens .
 
   / Wind Generation #108  
As I stated, the moratorium wouldn’t have effected operations for years anyway. There are so many acres of federal leases that have been held by oil companies and not yet drilled.

Yes, I'm well aware that it was a publicity stunt.
 
   / Wind Generation #109  
   / Wind Generation #110  
The moratorium ended?
 
   / Wind Generation #111  
   / Wind Generation #112  
No comment on what the "experts" say. Lol
It’s information. Believe what you want. But it is true that oil companies have always had at least a decades worth of undrilled permits on federal lands. The Department of Interior that tracks oil/gas leases shows that there are currently leases issued on 26 million acres of federal department of Interior lands. This doesn’t even account for permits on US Forest Service lands. A short term moratorium has zero effect on oil and gas production. Also consider that most oil and gas production occurs on state and private lands.

 
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#113  
Biden doesn't need to scale back oil energy production because in the 8 years of the oboma administration scaling back of oil production was done in the first year .
 
   / Wind Generation #114  
Biden doesn't need to scale back oil energy production because in the 8 years of the oboma administration scaling back of oil production was done in the first year .
The statistics show that you are wrong. Oil and gas declined in 2008 due to the recession, then steadily climbed until Covid reduced demand in 2020. It is climbing this year, but not quite at the level that was happening immediately pre-Covid. There is too much emphasis on what individual presidents can do with oil production. This is more controlled by supply and demand market factors than government. Consider that 80% of oil and gas is produced on state and private lands, not federal. And it has always been this way.
 
   / Wind Generation #115  
It’s information. Believe what you want. But it is true that oil companies have always had at least a decades worth of undrilled permits on federal lands. The Department of Interior that tracks oil/gas leases shows that there are currently leases issued on 26 million acres of federal department of Interior lands. This doesn’t even account for permits on US Forest Service lands. A short term moratorium has zero effect on oil and gas production. Also consider that most oil and gas production occurs on state and private lands.


You and I know this, the guy that put it it motion knows it but the vast majority of Americans that lauded the edict doesn't.
 
   / Wind Generation #116  
Been a lot of bull crap bandied about in this thread.
This country better look twice before shutting down existing power plants for feel good garbage.
Wind and Solar can not and will not ever be the primary power supplier they are too unstable and
variable there has to be abundant generation capacity idling in reserve to pickup the slack
when large clouds move across the skies and winds calm down.
The conventional power plants are what has to respond almost instantly to maintain voltage at desired levels
either by dropping load to let "so called renewables" provide or picking up load rapidly when they fall on there face.
 
   / Wind Generation #117  
Been a lot of bull crap bandied about in this thread.
This country better look twice before shutting down existing power plants for feel good garbage.
Wind and Solar can not and will not ever be the primary power supplier they are too unstable and
variable there has to be abundant generation capacity idling in reserve to pickup the slack
when large clouds move across the skies and winds calm down.
The conventional power plants are what has to respond almost instantly to maintain voltage at desired levels
either by dropping load to let "so called renewables" provide or picking up load rapidly when they fall on there face.
Few power companies are just relying on renewables; but they are shutting down or converting old obsolete coal plants to natural gas. Most power companies are pretty smart (except ERCOT in Texas) about their electric generation strategies and no doubt know a little bit more than you and I about this.
 
   / Wind Generation #118  
The statistics show that you are wrong. Oil and gas declined in 2008 due to the recession, then steadily climbed until Covid reduced demand in 2020. It is climbing this year, but not quite at the level that was happening immediately pre-Covid. There is too much emphasis on what individual presidents can do with oil production. This is more controlled by supply and demand market factors than government. Consider that 80% of oil and gas is produced on state and private lands, not federal. And it has always been this way.
“Climbing” is a bit too mild of a term.
Id call doubling “rocketing”
I fuel up my truck 1X/week. The price jumps nearly every week.
We all know what’s going on. The little guy is getting screwed. Again.
 
   / Wind Generation #119  
“Climbing” is a bit too mild of a term.
Id call doubling “rocketing”
I fuel up my truck 1X/week. The price jumps nearly every week.
We all know what’s going on. The little guy is getting screwed. Again.
Agree about the prices. My comment about climbing was related to production. We are getting screwed because US oil is exported to the highest bidder and subject to worldwide pricing. It was better before we exported oil and prices were more driven by US market factors. Thank the 2018 Congress for authorization of exports.
 
   / Wind Generation #120  
And it just keeps going higher with no end in sight.
For the middle class fighting for survival, it would sure help if he had someone on his side instead of EV virtue signalers vilifying them and a gov unwilling to do anything to help. It’s all out war on the middle class. They pay all these extra expenses.
 

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