Hydraulic Auger Mount

[bindian]

Oh that's Cold! :laughing: hehe. What's that old addage, something about it's not how big it is but how.... I will leave that there...

I am sure someday I won't be able to live w/o a "beast" as well, of which I must admit, I didn't realize your tractor was so big initially as well, for now were good with a lil tiny run all day on just a few gallons of fuel, fit thru a 49" opening BX25 . Thank you for this thread and posting up pics. It helped me make up my mind as to what I am going to do. After a lot of rig-a-ma-rolling around and him-hawing I decided to go w/ a Fasse valve, a valve that I believe is not known to the general public to well yet, at least I didn't see it in Fasse's webazine. When I have it in hand I will post pics of it in my GrappleOmatic thread.

So as not to hijack your quality thread I invite you over to see my lil project HERE. I will be watching this cool build up! Your doing a great job. Sometimes the best man for a job is a woman, my wife is the best helper I have ever had and I kid you not. I have tought many a man the difference between 1/2, 3/4, 1, 1.25, 1.5 and 2" Gal, Black, Copper, PVC etc et al and few remembered it, she does and remeber where things go? men want to just pile it all, she puts stuff back in it's place.

Hopefully you will make a UTube of it working when done and keep the pics coming !

Artisan,
Thanks. I will look at your thread. Fit thur a 49 inch opening? The Big RED Beast would widen that in a second.:laughing:
I don't think I will do You tube. Doing a video for Mahindra tractors was enough seeing me on video.
hugs, brandi

 

[bindian]

I got the valve mounted after making and installing a shim for clearance for the lower forward swivel fitting to screw in. The upper forward fitting has a swivel straight out, allowing the 90 to be right beside the threads of the lower fitting. Easy installation with swivels everywhere. I ran the loader this evening with it plumbed through the valve and no surprises. Earlier I had swung the "yellow" disconnected line over the engine while connecting the "red" line to the valve. I did not realize fluid spilled out over the starter until after running the loader and leak checking my fittings. At first I thought I blew another steering elbow or line. But as I removed the side cowl I realized it was just fluid from the disconneted line. Oh well, at least I had my saftey glasses on when I leak checked my work!

The valve is working correctly. After leak check, I removed the capped ports and they were dry. I will install these fittings when I get the lines. These ports are the switched ports to the grapple.

I did have to remove two lines from the hose sock. Does anyone know where I can buy another hose sock???

Tomorrow I start wiring the switch, relay, and valve.
hugs, Brandi

 

[bindian]

I made the cross tube cover QD mounting bracket last week and installed it on the cover. I had made it with one QD over the other QD, with holes for the 1/2 inch pipe threads. I was planning on shimming the fittings to get just the right combination of no leaks and tight in the bracket. A good online friend told me to spring the extra $$ for bulkhead fittings. So today I made Revision #1 to the QD bracket and mounted the 3/8 inch JIC bulkhead fittings. The knotch in the bracket was the lower hole for the 1/2 pipe threads. After ordering all these fittings online and paying express shipping to get it for the weekend......to "finish", I learned it is best to buy local and pay more, then buy cheap and pay shipping, only to ship them back as you need to do it another way. I am lucky to have a full service hydraulic shop about 10 minutes away. I am thinking of adding a support bracket for the big QDs on the crosstube, as they seem to really hang out there. Here is a link to the QDs I use. Quick Coupler, Body, 1/2 In NPT - Hydraulic Quick Couplers - Hydraulic Hoses - 2F771 : Grainger Industrial Supply

They are large, heavy and expensive, but don't leak a drop and have stood up well on the backhoe curl lines where I connect the hyd. auger. I went with these years ago when the QDs I got from TSC leaked.

I made the bracket from 8" x 5" x .125" flat sheet steel and bent it up at work on the brake. I used holesaws and boelube on the drillpress at work to poke the large holes for the 1/2 inch threads and just drilled the holes out to 9/16 inch at home, for the revision, with my Makita 18 volt cordless drill. It did get a little warm!

Oh yeah, I decided to sell the lite duty grapple I bought and buy a heavier grapple. You can check it out here....... http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2769821#post2769821
hugs, Brandi

 

[Artisan]

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I did have to remove two lines from the hose sock. Does anyone know where I can buy another hose sock???

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Hose Sock = Hose Protection? Perhaps as in Nylon Protective Sleeve?

 

[bindian]

Hose Sock = Hose Protection? Perhaps as in Nylon Protective Sleeve?

Yeah that is the stuff. But Discount Hyd. Hose will not ship less than a $20 purchase. I found that out when they would not sale me one long, long elbow fitting.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Artisan]

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I am thinking of adding a support bracket for the big QDs on the crosstube, as they seem to really hang out there. Here is a link to the QDs I use. Quick Coupler, Body, 1/2 In NPT - Hydraulic Quick Couplers - Hydraulic Hoses - 2F771 : Grainger Industrial Supply

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hugs, Brandi

Brandi might not it shorten things up, and add another level of "stoutness", if you ditched the bushing and 3/8 bulkhead assembly and swap'd in a 1/2" bulkhead? Then reduce to 3/8 on the other side? If there is enough meat left in your bracket it might behoove you to do that. That lil 3/8" nipple is your Achilles heal.

 

[bindian]

Brandi might not it shorten things up, and add another level of "stoutness", if you ditched the bushing and 3/8 bulkhead assembly and swap'd in a 1/2" bulkhead? Then reduce to 3/8 on the other side? If there is enough meat left in your bracket it might behoove you to do that. That lil 3/8" nipple is your Achilles heal.

Artisan,
That is why I said I want to install a support bracket. I am an Aircraft Mechanic that specializes in sheetmetal. I know what happens to unsupported heavy stuff. I am going to take the crosstube cover off and take it to work next week. I will make a custom, riveted, support bracket that will be right behind the QDs. This will work.:thumbsup: I stake my reputation and 34 years of tin bending experience on it.
hugs, Brandi

 

[kennyd]

Good stuff Brandi, :thumbsup:

 

[bindian]

Good stuff Brandi, :thumbsup:

Thanks Ken!
hugs, Brandi

 

[dfkrug]

Looks good, Brandi. I, too, tried to buy some hose protectors from
DHH, but it was back-ordered so I canceled and used plastic flex conduit.
Although they now use the small USPS prepaid boxes to ship, they still
charge $10 minimum shipping.

Just a suggestion, but if you install one male and one female QA fitting
on your bulkhead, you can not connect your PHD backwards. And you
can connect the fittings together on the PHD when it is off the FEL.

 

[bindian]

Looks good, Brandi. I, too, tried to buy some hose protectors from
DHH, but it was back-ordered so I canceled and used plastic flex conduit.
Although they now use the small USPS prepaid boxes to ship, they still
charge $10 minimum shipping.

Just a suggestion, but if you install one male and one female QA fitting
on your bulkhead, you can not connect your PHD backwards. And you
can connect the fittings together on the PHD when it is off the FEL.

Thanks Dave! One male and one female is the way the grapple came. But five years ago, when I plumbed the auger into the backhoe's curl lines, I put both males on the same side. So the auger (PHD) is already plumbed with two females. I will plumb the grapple like wise. This will make it impossible to get a QD in the dirt, which happens with the auger's female dust cap covered fittings, when hooking up or dismounting. I plan on getting extra red and yellow tyraps for the added hyd. lines and the QDs, to ID which line goes where.
I saw today at TSC, a double QD bracket that is double half moon brackets for holding them tight. I was going to buy it, but the half moons are on 2.5 inch pitch. My QD mount is on 3 inch pitch. I might go ahead and buy it and remake my mount to use it. It clamps at right around the flats and makes the QDs vibration proof, or hardly any at all.
hugs, Brandi

 

[bindian]

I finished the diverter valve wiring today. It doesn't look like much, but it took a while. To remove the loader it will take dyking two tywraps and unscrewing the connector off of the valve.

I used surplus aircraft clamps to secure the wiring up the side of the instrument housing, attached to firewall bolts. Installing and wiring the relay would have been way more fun if the terminal ID numbers were larger. The hole for the instrument panel was immense. I could stick my arm up to my should inside. The panel came out after removing 4 screws and had enough wiring slack to flip it over and on the hyd. steering tank.

As you can see in the photo, I have the battery and the keyed switch wire reversed. The battery wire is the larger, 12 guage, black wire. I did not have an inline fuse on the battery wire, as the RS clerk sold me the wrong blade fuses. It takes mini blade fuses and he sold me regular blade fuses. Yes, I cranked it up and it took the 5 year old battery down to zip, nona, nothing. It only clinked after I removed the key switch wire. With that connected I got nothing.

I jumped the tractor off and all seems fine. After running the tractor for a while to charge the battery somewhat, I connected the wires correctly and no surprises. But I won't know if I fried the relay until I install a fuse and try the "button". I don't have lines to the QDs for the grapple and auger yet, so I hope to try it without cranking the tractor, after I get the correct sized fuse. That should put enough fluid into the grapple side of the valve (that is capped right now). If all works as designed, the capped valves will not be dry, and have residual fluid.

The inline fuse from the battery was located forward of the firewall and secure with tywraps to the fuse panel block.
hugs, Brandi

 

[bindian]

I found a better wiring diagram to use instead of the one on back of the relay package from RS. I used this diagram Relay Wiring.
RS's diagram had me confused from what I remembered from aircraft relay diagrams. Now I get a nice quick click when I turn the key on and hit the button. To confirm valve workings, I removed the capped ports from the valve and had fluid. Now it is just wait until Wednesday when the lines and reusable fittings will get here.

I also sold the lite duty grapple I mistakenly bought at a RB Auction last month.
hugs, Brandi

 

[bindian]

After waiting weeks, I finally got my fittings installed on the hoses. I really like installing fittings myself. It reminded me of my general aviation days when we made up landing gear hydraulic lines. Not counting me not tightening up the QDs after I installed dust covers, I had no leaks. The QDs were just on hand tight and didn't leak much. I want to look into welding on hose clamp brackets, to get rid of the ugly tywraps. I will buy some black tywraps and install them until then.

I installed the hydraulic auger and dug some post holes. After using the auger on the backhoe, the front loader mount leaves me wanting. I can adjust left and right a little with moving the steering wheel, but can't really tell if the loader is ahead or behind of the auger bit shaft, as in 90 degree holes. On the backhoe I can see this all easily and move the boom and dipperstick as needed. Also, when the auger bit is full of sticky clay, I can swing the backhoe and scrap it all off. On the front loader I have to move the tractor to scrap the clay on the bit or let it fall back into the hole.

Over all I am leaning towards the auger on the backhoe. I will try both ways in the next couple of weeks as I put in 300 feet of fence.

My new 72 inch grapple should be here by the 30th. Yippee.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Zebrafive]

Is there room to route the new lines inside the loader boom with the other lines? Save welding on that nice paint.

 

[bindian]

Is there room to route the new lines inside the loader boom with the other lines? Save welding on that nice paint.

Zebrafive,
Negative. The exit hole at the cross tube is just big enough for the original 4 hoses.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Artisan]

Looks like a pro did it! Keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

 

[bindian]

Looks like a pro did it! Keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

Artisan,
Thanks. After being an A&P Mechanic for 34 years, it should look like a pro did it.
hugs, Brandi

 

[boggen]

After waiting weeks, I finally got my fittings installed on the hoses. I really like installing fittings myself. It reminded me of my general aviation days when we made up landing gear hydraulic lines. Not counting me not tightening up the QDs after I installed dust covers, I had no leaks. The QDs were just on hand tight and didn't leak much. I want to look into welding on hose clamp brackets, to get rid of the ugly tywraps. I will buy some black tywraps and install them until then.

I installed the hydraulic auger and dug some post holes. After using the auger on the backhoe, the front loader mount leaves me wanting. I can adjust left and right a little with moving the steering wheel, but can't really tell if the loader is ahead or behind of the auger bit shaft, as in 90 degree holes. On the backhoe I can see this all easily and move the boom and dipperstick as needed. Also, when the auger bit is full of sticky clay, I can swing the backhoe and scrap it all off. On the front loader I have to move the tractor to scrap the clay on the bit or let it fall back into the hole.

Over all I am leaning towards the auger on the backhoe. I will try both ways in the next couple of weeks as I put in 300 feet of fence.

My new 72 inch grapple should be here by the 30th. Yippee.
hugs, Brandi

zip tie a rod and paint it yellow, to the auger motor. so the rod extends up above the bucket and you can see it.

zip tie a rod and paint it green, and fasten it to the bucket near the auger, between the 2 rods, you will see + or X or II pending on curl of bucket.

have no idea if above would work. but i know the feeling, of trying to use FEL bucket to push down steel T posts. and then using the backhoe bucket to push down steel T posts. backhoe bucket wins ever time. so much better clearance for better view of things. and ability to articulate the backhoe bucket, and keep the auger going straight down.

that is one of things i hate about 3PT hitch PHD diggers, not being able to adjust left to right angle. easily without repositioning tractor. only forward and back ward and that still means moving tractor. not to mention the old twisting body backwards to keep an eye on things.

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other thought, would it be worth putting an extension between bracket on bucket, and mount on the auger motor. so you would need to have entire bucket raised up higher above the ground. so you have better clearance for viewing things?

other thought, would it be worth while, to have pallet forks on. and mount PHD out on a fork? further out in front of tractor, = turn of front wheels = more angle you can place on the auger?

 

[bindian]

zip tie a rod and paint it yellow, to the auger motor. so the rod extends up above the bucket and you can see it.

zip tie a rod and paint it green, and fasten it to the bucket near the auger, between the 2 rods, you will see + or X or II pending on curl of bucket.

have no idea if above would work. but i know the feeling, of trying to use FEL bucket to push down steel T posts. and then using the backhoe bucket to push down steel T posts. backhoe bucket wins ever time. so much better clearance for better view of things. and ability to articulate the backhoe bucket, and keep the auger going straight down.

that is one of things i hate about 3PT hitch PHD diggers, not being able to adjust left to right angle. easily without repositioning tractor. only forward and back ward and that still means moving tractor. not to mention the old twisting body backwards to keep an eye on things.

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other thought, would it be worth putting an extension between bracket on bucket, and mount on the auger motor. so you would need to have entire bucket raised up higher above the ground. so you have better clearance for viewing things?

other thought, would it be worth while, to have pallet forks on. and mount PHD out on a fork? further out in front of tractor, = turn of front wheels = more angle you can place on the auger?

Boggen,
Thanks for the replies. Back towards the first of this thread I stated I can see the auger and bit easily from the seat and posted at least one photo of it from the seat. Can't see ty wrapping a rod to a round motor unit. Also, it is forward and aft that is hard to figure if it is square. The problem comes from being further away and a lower angle to the bit. On the backhoe I sit high and can move the boom and dipper stick forward or backward to adjust the angle to stay square. On the loader bucket, I have to move the tractor forward or backward as the auger starts and goes down and back up to keep the hole at 90 degrees.
Good forks have a large headache rack on them, which would be harder to see than off the end of a 7 foot wide bucket.
hugs, Brandi