Wind Turbine ********. Just opened the mail and seen the plan for three massive units

[DB Pilot]

I really think that government wants a system that continually needs maintenance. Like our Highways. Recently a meeting of wind power proponents held a meeting right next to the Niagara river that has a Hydroelectric plant on it built in the 1960's. It is super productive and consistent. More plants along this river would probably make nuclear obsolete. Just like tapping the Alaskan oil fields would make the middle east obsolete. :2cents: Think I'm starting to see a theme here. Keep the public needy and in the dark. :fiery:

 

[MossRoad]

You can call it a conspiracy, but its just marketing, lobbying and operating within the bounds of what the citizens tolerate. This is how its all done nowadays. Huge wealth can be generated by manipulating government. Which is always easier if citizens are distracted or confused and certainly while they are divided.

Nowadays??? Its been done like this since the Greeks and Romans! :laughing:

 

[Sodo]

Nowadays??? Its been done like this since the Greeks and Romans! :laughing:

you're right but the Romans had to enforce it, and that could be where we're headed if guys like Musk can be stopped.

 

[MossRoad]

Re: Wind Turbine B*stards. Just opened the mail and seen the plan for three massive u

Same here. They can pay me that money and knock down my house if they want too. If I continue to get that pay each month.

2 payments of $15,000.00 and I'll have my house paid off. Then the rest is profit.

I don't know where anyone's getting a $15,000.00 figure. Average is $5-8K per turbine.
https://www.wind-watch.org/documents/five-questions-to-ask-before-signing-a-wind-energy-lease/

 

[TomSeller]

Just remember your neighbors paid for a big part of that system, not you! You are welcome. HS

He didn't pay for any of it? Really? Not one penny?

 

[TomSeller]

The only issue I have against windmills is their economic viability. Without government subsidies there would not be many built. The other big issue is distribution - where there is lots of wind - think plains states - there is not a lot of consumption and typical electrical transmission loses about half the energy it transmits every 1000 miles. Nobody in this country wants ultrahigh voltage transmission so the transmission losses continue.

How do you get electricity to your county road? Public expense, right? You would have no commercial electricity without government involvement. How do the interstates and roads you drive on get built? The airports you fly in and out of? The hydro dams? ..... Public expense to set up necessary infrastructure.

 

[Creamer]

How do you get electricity to your county road? Public expense, right? You would have no commercial electricity without government involvement. How do the interstates and roads you drive on get built? The airports you fly in and out of? The hydro dams? ..... Public expense to set up necessary infrastructure.

So if I understand you right - if the government pays for it, no matter what the cost, there is no cost?

 

[TomSeller]

So if I understand you right - if the government pays for it, no matter what the cost, there is no cost?

You don't understand. There would be no infrastructure. If you don't feel there is a value to the infrastructure, stay off the roads tomorrow. Don't use electricity, don't send kids to school.....

 

[Creamer]

There is a value to infrastructure - the question is how much value. Is it economic to spend the money on the infrastructure being planned? The economics of windmills would not be there without government support as compared to other sources of energy. The cost of electricity will not come down once windmills are in place. The cost of transportation did come down when the highway system was put in. The cost of electricity was lowered tremendously when dams were put in and they should have an almost infinite life. That is not the case with windmills.

Windmills are not infrastructure they are machines that have a finite life that are used by an entity to make a profit. If you amortize the cost of the windmill over the useful life and include expected maintenance and repairs and other assorted costs they are not an economic method of producing electricity.

That is why I asked the question - if the government pays for it, no matter what the cost, there is no cost? The government should have a calculation that shows a benefit. Of course somebody does but it includes some wild assumptions regarding the costs of other energy sources. The bottom line is that unless you intentionally skew the numbers the windmills are not economic.

 

[KiwiBro]

If you amortize the cost of the windmill over the useful life and include expected maintenance and repairs and other assorted costs they are not an economic method of producing electricity.

Could you please point us to something that substantiates that assertion? I was under the impression that it is actually a very cheap generation method, but it would be great to have it proven otherwise.

Thanks.