O my, I am comfused

[s219]

A mindra dealer told me the their max 24 doesnt have a dpf filter. Which stated is a more friendly maintenace machine.

Mahidra canned the only Max model above 26HP that would have needed this. The Max 28 became the Max 26. So all their Max models are 26HP and lower now, and are exempt.

As far as I know, all the brands have taken this approach with subcompacts -- they just eliminated any models that would need to satisfy Tier IV Final and recertified them all for 26HP and below, so they only needed to satisfy Tier IV Interim.

 

[gladehound]

I don't know that "literally" applies . . but it paints a picture ;-)

You wrote: "Please don't assume you know what I pick up on. I've only made a few points in this thread and I've let many of your statements go because they aren't worth my time."

Lol . . good debate is with passion but not emotion. Sometimes good debate effort requires the other side to "show their hand" a bit. Many readers may not have recognized the "aw shucks" wasn't real. So I thought a little razzle dazzle might cause that to be dropped temporarily to show how sophisticated your debate training actually is.

You aren't crossing any lines with me Glade . . just dropping some of the "acting side" of things

I don't think of debate as a good thing or a bad thing . . Its a teaching snd learning thing. But for some . . "winning" is the thing and that's never been my focus so it also typically isn't my weakness

What is/was your profession?

I'll go first . . I like people . . so I've worked in lots of efforts where getting people to be positive and motivated is the key . . Using technical skills to have non-geeks actually use computers in complex ways of sales and creativity. Teaching sales and marketing people to actually sell instead of manipulate. Getting people smarter than they actually thought they were. I focus on appreciation rather than depreciation.

So how about you Glade? Where do all those debating skills and ability come from? (I think the "aw shucks" pretense is pretty much exhausted by now in readets eyes).

I have no debate training and I'm not acting. I like a good discussion that is thoughtful and supported by fact. Most of your statements are thoughtful. But I find it difficult to reason with you because you're logic is flawed. That is you'll describe something to support a point that doesn't actually support your point! When you assume to know what I think you are getting arrogant. I don't know if you believed it or not or if you are using some "technique". Either way, I found your approach irritating especially since it wasn't my intent to address your every point but only to comment on some of the more important ones. That beings said, you're obviously an OK guy - just a different style than me. I'm just not into all that sales and marketing flare. I always have found it annoying.

My profession includes many things but at its core is the generation of value arguments that are supported by evidence. Prior to this I was a health outcomes researcher. I leave the debating to others who are better at it than I (the marketing types who don't mind bending the truth a little to make a point).

And no - your GC1715 would not literally fit in my bucket. But since you had departed from reason, I figured accuracy and truth had already flown the coop!

No hard feelings. Now that I understand you a little better, I almost like you!... Almost... so don't push it! :tractor:

 

[AxleHub]

I have no debate training

My profession includes many things but at its core is the generation of value arguments that are supported by evidence. Prior to this I was a health outcomes researcher. I leave the debating to others who are better at it than I (the marketing types who don't mind bending the truth a little to make a point).

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You are obviously well educated regarding logical progression and point counterpoint thinking.

You wrote: " the generation of value arguments that are supported by evidence."

I'd say thats the very heart of debate.

And I sense researcher or engineering type method would explain why you and I would spar in different ways . . much as chess players have such different styles.

But even more important is its good for tbn readers to see threads where debate exists and not just fast easy opinion expressed . . or a hostility demonstrated.

I've learned in my life that two of our most important natural resources in very short supply is common sense and creativity.

Real debate of our ancestors wasn't college or debate club based . . but vision and creativity based. Today imo we see too much politically correct communication. Toomuch "spin". Degrees are proof of wisdom when they really only demonstrate testing ability and the financing to get them. Our elderly carry an artisian well of acquired ability and knowledge yet we harvest almost none of it.

we believe more on a media or government survey link than we do in our forefathers who actually tested and pioneered the ideas.

Glade, you and I might not solve a single issue between us . . but we could sponsor fresh thinking or courage to get others to express thinking that could stimulate a new idea or new perspective.

At all education levels people have the potential to surprise others with great ideas and unexpected wisdom. Lord knows brevity has never been my companion. My best learning moments were from unlikely and humbling sources and situations.

And you and I had the oportunity to have 2 ideas that both can be correct at the same time

 

[PhysAssist]

Way to throw this discussion down the crapper :laughing:

I wish I had another witty repartee to flush that down with, but I'm cleaned out.

Too funny, and great advice from all sides here.

Sometime these discussions get heated and sink below the level of debate to name-calling, and I'm sure that I'm not the only here glad that this one hasn't [so far].

Thanks guys!
Thomas

PS: On thread comment: Please everyone keep in mind that the OP's initially expressed budget limitation was 15K, at least one poster recommended a 28K tractor to him.

 

[AxleHub]

PS: On thread comment: Please everyone keep in mind that the OP's initially expressed budget limitation was 15K, at least one poster recommended a 28K tractor to him.

I also noted how many times $20,000 tractors were mentioned. I kept my recommendation at $15,128 which included taxes mower deck and loader all with 5 year warranty and tires loaded.

 

[Ooklaa]

Meanwhile on planet earth, im still comfused, cause im stuck reading everything these guys are debating about i forgot what i was asking 3 pages ago lol.

All fun and games, im going tomorrow to go see a Mahindra dealer and the a john deere dealer. I hope its not a waste of time as the phone conversations have been a total waste. Im looking at a max 24, 26. John deere 1025r, 1026r and some 2 series. Loader and mower.. Some used some new. Well see what happens.

 

[PhysAssist]

I also noted how many times $20,000 tractors were mentioned. I kept my recommendation at $15,128 which included taxes mower deck and loader all with 5 year warranty and tires loaded.

Hi A-H,
Me too with the only real data I can relate- my purchase of our only new tractor ever a 2011 Kubota B2320 with 60" MMM, FEL, and ballast box- "thrown in" on the Kubota finance plan- which at the time was borrowing someone else's money for free, allowing my funds to recoup some of the funds that Gladehound [and others in this discussion] have attempted to make me feel stupid for spending by being invested for the 60 months during which they would have otherwise been tied up in my tractor ownership.

I believe we paid 15600 total with T&L. My dealer actually loaded my [rear] tires with Rimguard [for free] a year and a half after we bought it.

Thanks,
Thomas

 

[TomSeller]

I believe we paid 15600 total with T&L. My dealer actually loaded my [rear] tires with Rimguard [for free] a year and a half after we bought it.

Now that's a good dealer!

 

[PhysAssist]

Now that's a good dealer!

We actually liked the dealer better than we liked the tractor at that point, but our B2320 has grown on us.

He also threw in our 150 hour service when we had it in to get the hood and headlight replaced when I crushed them by curling the bucket with some lumber overhanging the top of it-covered by thr protection plan less $250.

That's MY story, and I'm sticking to it.
Thomas

 

[AxleHub]

We actually liked the dealer better than we liked the tractor at that point, but our B2320 has grown on us.

He also threw in our 150 hour service when we had it in to get the hood and headlight replaced when I crushed them by curling the bucket with some lumber overhanging the top of it-covered by thr protection plan less $250.

That's MY story, and I'm sticking to it.
Thomas

Now that is a dealer who understands the difference between sales and marketing.