The younger workforce.

[mjarrels]

Here at James Madison University, they just hired a new football coach at $300,000 per year for a five year contract. Being a state school, I'm paying him with tax dollars.

mark

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Here at James Madison University, they just hired a new football coach at $300,000 per year for a five year contract. Being a state school, I'm paying him with tax dollars.

mark

Go Dukes! JMU is sure growing.

A friends son goes to MSU as an out of stater, don't know what he's paying, but don't think it's too outrageous from talking to him. Scholarships make the difference, not everyone pays "MSRP".

 

[dfkrug]

Resident for MSU - 13,612 ( 907 per credit hour )
Non resident $36,412 !! ( $2427 per credit )

MSU is also on semesters now, not quarters as back when I went there. Nevertheless, the increase in
costs is outrageous. Part of that has to do with federal student loan programs, which are
now nationalized.

Student debt in the US is now in the trillions....who wants to bet that much of this debt will
never be paid off, even tho the interest rates are artificially low?

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a direct cut and past from the MSU website.

In-State Freshmen

Tuition and fees (15 credits/semester): $13,612
Room and board (double room/Silver Meal Plan): $9,524

Total for two semesters: $23,136

That total is for room AND board for two semesters.

If you are lower income, and fill out the FAFSA, and get decent grades in high school and keep them up in college, you can get that tuition reduced by way more than half.

We got no financial assistance. My kid's tuition for Purdue was around $4K per year after merit scholarships instead of the $10K quoted to us. So 4 years of college for $12,000. What kills you is the room and board.

 

[ultrarunner]

Room and Board is almost a rite of passage... at least it seems so.

The SF Bay Area has many fine Universities and most kids I know want very much to go off to school.

Just don't see why for most...

I commuted from home and saved a bundle... it also let me keep my two part time jobs.

Both my brothers moved out... one got a job that included room and board if living in a barn counts... he was the weekend help/manager for a large horse boarding facility all during his 4 years at Berkeley and commuted with a 400 cc motorcycle which was great for campus parking.

The other brother had friends desperate for a roommate after one left... so he fell into a good deal across the street from Cal State East Bay...

Many I know did get full or partial scholarships... some academic and some athletic... a lot of our older (26-28) new hire nurses used their military benefits...

I do believe not everyone going to college should and even more so if they are racking up significant debt...

 

[MossRoad]

....

I do believe not everyone going to college should and even more so if they are racking up significant debt...

I agree. We have several friends who's children had to come home after the first semester or first year. Some couldn't make the grades. Some weren't sure why they went in the first place. Some got into party distraction trouble. However, for the most part, the ones that came home then went to the local campus of Indiana University or they switched to IVY Tech (vocational college), got part time jobs, lived at home for a couple semesters, rented apartments with friends and started turning things around again. Everyone is a little different. A good support system is a great safety net should things take a turn.

 

[ultrarunner]

I probably shouldn't admit this... for me one of the benefits of earning my engineering degree is I would not be shutout by not having one.

It was the key to opening doors... once the door was open you still had to prove yourself... I know some very capable individuals that never went to college or higher education... can only imagine how far they could have gone with one.

My farming side of the family were not so supportive and had reservations... they said going off to college ruined a lot people... they no longer knew how to work.

Thankfully, I was able to overcome their hesitations and be the first on Mom's side of the family to go to college.

Mom spent her career as a registered nurse... she had no college.

She learned on the job over 4 years working in a Catholic Hospital where most all the nurses were nuns... she was a Diploma Nurse which basically does not exist anymore.

She did have her issues with new BSRN grads... she said they have all the education and now she would have to teach them how to apply it.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Sadly, many smart people just don't do well in the educational environment. Maybe the wave of school shootings attest to this. Not much tolerence for the different. The pack mentality rules. I guess, until someone shows up with a gun.

What is education anyway? Mostly just proving you can remember something that someone taught you. Doesn't mean you're smart. Just that you can remember well.

 

[bcp]

I used to hate those courses in which a tape recorder could have gotten a perfect grade.

Bruce

 

[MossRoad]

I probably shouldn't admit this... for me one of the benefits of earning my engineering degree is I would not be shutout by not having one.

It was the key to opening doors... once the door was open you still had to prove yourself... I know some very capable individuals that never went to college or higher education... can only imagine how far they could have gone with one.

My farming side of the family were not so supportive and had reservations... they said going off to college ruined a lot people... they no longer knew how to work.

Thankfully, I was able to overcome their hesitations and be the first on Mom's side of the family to go to college.

Mom spent her career as a registered nurse... she had no college.

She learned on the job over 4 years working in a Catholic Hospital where most all the nurses were nuns... she was a Diploma Nurse which basically does not exist anymore.

She did have her issues with new BSRN grads... she said they have all the education and now she would have to teach them how to apply it.

I hear you about having a degree. I have two associate degrees in electronics. That's what got me in the door. After that, I have 29 years of on the job training. Without going into great detail, they have literally tens of thousands of dollars invested in me in factory training on heavy machinery, computer software and hardware and management training. I'm the only person in the building that can do every other production person's job, including the managers. However, about 4-5 years ago, corporate took over all I.T. operations(and I.T. is where I landed), and they only hire people with certification. All it matters to them is that those people have great looking resume's. They don't take into account that they have never been at a job longer than three years. All those types of people do is get a job, have their employer pay for certification, then look for another job that pays more. They don't actually do anything but try and implement what they learned in school, without taking into account how it affects 24/7 production. I can't count the number of systems we've started implementing and ended up tearing it out before it was even completed satisfactorily. Its quite frustrating. And.... once you start getting up there in age, and they've been giving you a 25 or 50 cent raise every year, all of a sudden, after 30 years, you're make $10 an hour more than new hires, some bean counter thinks they can hire two kids to replace on old timer (doesn't matter that you do the work of three)... so they give you a unique job title, then eliminate that position in 6 months and quote Sipowizc 10:42