Everlast Welders - Welders and Plasma Cutters by Everlast

[newbury]

Protectionism has never ended well for the USA, historically...and for good reason. And the nearly quadrupled prices in steel ought to give you a clue as to what happens exactly, even though input costs were not justifying the increase, or the demand either.

Just a quibble -
Steel prices for the last 10 years -

Note they are about the same they were back in 2012.
/edit - not adjusted for inflation

 

[5030]

Not all domestic made stuff is junk.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Protectionism has morphed over the years. There are things that should be classified as strategic to our nation's well being. When a communist gov't uses it's full power over it's people, and keeps their wages down purposefully, we don't have much of a choice here, to be able to compete.

That's not to say I don't buy some of their goods. But buying American is better to pump up our own mfg economy, which has been the backbone of our nation for over a hundred years. So much talent has passed away, that I don't know how our country is going to transfer knowledge to our young people. It won't be easy. Ball bearings come to mind. Do we even have a company making the smaller ones here now? Can we really tell where they are made?

I would buy an everlast, if I needed one.

IIRC, the previous post, the guy wanted to mig weld 1/2" material. That is a substantial thickness. Very top end of mig welders available. I know a Miller 252 in that zone would cost well over $4000. Can an inverter style do this? What duty cycle if so?

 

[5030]

Multi pass only. All inverter based welders do is eliminate the conventional (and heavy) wound transformer plus the are much more efficient. The day of the wound transformer in welding and plasma machines is done basically.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Just a quibble -
Steel prices for the last 10 years -
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Note they are about the same they were back in 2012.
/edit - not adjusted for inflation

When it is a major indicator of inflation, of course not. lol. What it also doesn't show is that scrap prices are extremely low. When demand is strong for steel, scrap goes up. It has not. New steel prices typically mirror the changes in scrap prices. All you've done is help confirm my assertion. New steel prices are at all time highs while demand and payment for scrap steel is at or near a decade plus low. This is caused by a lack of competition from international suppliers.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Protectionism has morphed over the years. There are thing that should be classified as strategic to our nation's well being. When a communist gov't uses it's full power over it's people, and keeps their wages down purposefully, we don't have much of a choice here, to be able to compete.

That's not to say I don't buy some of their goods. But buying American is better to pump up our own mfg economy, which has been the backbone of our nation for over a hundred years. So much talent has passed away, that I don't know how our country is going to transfer knowledge to our young people. It won't be easy. Ball bearings come to mind. Do we even have a company making the smaller ones here now? Can we really tell where they are made?

I would buy an everlast, if I needed one.

IIRC, the previous post, the guy wanted to mig weld 1/2" material. That is a substantial thickness. Very top end of mig welders available. I know a Miller 252 in that zone would cost well over $4000. Can an inverter style do this? What duty cycle if so?

An inverter can do anything the transformer can do, and usually at a better duty cycle. The Power i MIG 315 is the same equivalent power class. The 252 is max rated at 300A. The 315 is max rated at 315 A. The 252 is rated at about 25% duty cycle at 300A. The Power i MIG 315 is rated at 35% at 35A. The 252 is rated at 60% duty cycle at 200A. The Power i-MIG is rated at 60% duty cycle at 250A. The price of the 252 is 4200.00 give or take, depending on where you buy it. The 315 is 1900 right now. The 252 has a 3 year warranty. The 315 has a 5 year warranty.

There is a mistaken notion that everything in China is government owned. No. There are government owned facilities. But there are also private enterprises...which pay heavy taxes. Even Miller and lincoln have plants in China that they own. No, they do not control pay scale. We visit (up until covid) our facilities almost monthly. They are privately owned and operated. The workers are paid well in comparison for what their money buys...better than many average US employees. They work 8 to 10 hour days, 6 days a week. But they have tons of National holidays that go on for as much as a month that they get off. WAAAAAYYYY more than we get. I have nightly conversations with engineers and the owner. It's pretty easy to monitor and get real time answers and results and pinpoint issues in matters of minutes or hours in the assembly plant.

That is not to minimize they are still under a heavy handed communist controlled system, but in some ways I'm finding they have more freedom than we do, especially out in the rural areas.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

I don't go. But our travel guy has an apartment, and stays in hotels when traveling in away from the factory. We have a full fledged, well appointed office in the factory, and it's not just a cubby hole. The factory takes care of the eating. The owner's wife owns an upscale restaurant where some meals are taken. But it is a different cuisine than the "chinese" food here. A little bit more authentic. Not unrecognizable though, and maybe not as appetizing to the American pallet to see it in a whole form but edible and sometimes reported as really good. There are bars and stuff available as well. Foreign travelers get priority in public transportation lines, and their own

No, Miller and Lincoln and ESAB all manufacture there, and whole welders and subcomponents used in the so called US machines are manufactured there. It's not a wholesale/retail outlet thing. They have manufacturing bases for subcomponents used in US "assembled" product.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

Here is a thread on our forum started by one of the main guys who does travel and work over there. It's a few years ago now that he started it, but it gives you an idea of some things. Things have been remodeled and upgraded a good bit along the way. Some pictures from Factory - Page 6

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Thanks interesting.

its hilarious here in America…”green new deal”, “zero emissions”…lol
I guess we can cut our emissions as long as we build everything in china and India. Lol idiots, the whole bunch. Instead of building here and lightening up epa restrictions to a happy medium(cost vs pollution) we build in 2 countries with zero regulations and make more pollution manufacturing the same amount, or more, products. Slave labor and zero environmental regs make it affordable.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

What slave labor? I think you aren't up on the times.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Would this would be a better place to manufacture in?

 

[Hersheyfarm]

What slave labor? I think you aren't up on the times.

Then why build in china?

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

I see your understanding is way out of date. Because workers get paid less than the converted dollar doesn't mean its slave labor, especially if their wages pay for them to buy what they want and need and support their families. I talk regularly with the factory personnel. They have nicer things and than I do! Right now with inflation, I budget to buy eggs.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

What? Lol. Again, why build in china?

I’m all for it, your talking to an anti union dude. I think people should make only what they can in a capitalist market, not what the collective says their worth. Firm believer in “the world needs ditchdiggers too” Philosophy. I’m one, but I can squeak out a few grand a day, some people in my same field do good too make a couple hundred a day. That’s their problem, nothing stopping them from doing things I do except skill and ambition.

but lets not kid ourselves, there is a reason companies build in china and its not currency conversion. Dont be one of those people.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Our factory is NOT a collective. You are living in the 60's on old information. China, with regards to their operations is very capitalistic. Their politics are not. I'm not a union guy either.

And if you'd kindly stop highjacking this thread, it would be appreciated.

 

[LongCreek]

Hello Members of TractorByNet,

I'd like to introduce Everlast Welders as a proud sponsor of this welding
forum. A lot of people may not be familiar with us. As a U.S. company that
manufactures and distributes professional quality inverter welders and
plasma cutters, our products are made to meet American and Canadian
Specifications in our exclusive factories in China.

We believe in the quality of our welders to the extent that we offer a 5
year replacement warranty on all of our units, with a 30 day satisfaction
guaranteed return policy. Also, we maintain a highly qualified technical
support staff available to assist the customer 5 days a week and on most
weekends. We also can assist our customers with technical welding related
questions as well, whether its what welding rod to use or what settings to
use to weld aluminum with TIG.

While in our humble beginning, we offered an "off the shelve" product that
was available from many clone factories in China, our company decided to
part from the mass of importers, who made many wild and unsubstantiated
claims of performance and durability. Our Power Series product line is not
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protected. We take pride in that fact. Our customers come to us from a
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and we have ship yards. We have the part timer and the full timer. We have
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it is shipped, from Alaska to the Bahamas. Our Canadian division spans all
of Canada with its sales and support as well.

Although the Everlast company has been around now for about 5 years, we
realize it's is not that long compared to many brands. However, our company
has learned, grown and evolved during that time to make it one of the
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releasing and supporting new products that meets the customers' demands.
Our product stands on its own, ready to go head to head with the
competition. Our latest line of Power Series welders and plasma cutters
feature IGBT electronics from Infineon. Everlast is the first import
manufactured company in the U.S. to have a fully integrated line of IGBT
powered inverter products throughout its entire product line, and to fully
incorporate IGBT modules into its' premium units. The Power Series from
Everlast also offers high duty cycles that meet and exceed most of the
industry at the same amperage.

We do offer a full and portable product line of Stick, Tig, and Mig product
line:

TIG/Stick welders:

PowerTig 200DX (200 amp AC/DC Tig with Pulse, 160 amp stick)

PowerTig 225LX (225 amp AC/DC Tig with Pulse, 175 amp stick)

PowerTig 250EX ( 250 amp AC/DC Tig with Pulse, 200 amp stick)

Power I-Tig 200 (200 amp DC tig with pulse, 160 amp stick)

MIG/Stick welders:

Power I-MIG 160 ( 160 amp with spool gun port and arc force control, 160 amp
stick feature)

Power I-MIG 200 (200 amp with spool gun port and arc force control, 200 amp
stick feature)

Power I-MIG 205 ( 225 amp with spool gun port and arc force control, 200 amp
stick feature)

Power I-MIG 250P (250 amp with pulse, burn back , arc force and spot timer)

Stick welders:

PowerARC 160 (DC with adaptive arc force control/ hot start and 6010 easy
burn capabilities)

PowerARC 200 (DC with adaptive arc force control/ hot start and 6010 easy
burn capabilities)

Plasma Cutters:

PowerPlasma 50, 60, 70, 80, and 100.

Multi Process units (TIG, Stick, and Plasma cutting)

PowerPro 205 (200 amp AC/DC Tig with 50 amp plasma cutter, 160 amp stick)

PowerPro 256 (AC/DC Tig with 60 amp plasma cutter, 200 amp stick)

PowerUltra 205 (DC with 50 amp plasma, 160 amp stick)

I'll be around to answer any questions about Everlast products, welding in
general and to participate in the rest of the tractor forums. I am quite
knowledgeable in tractor repair, maintenance, and specialize in odd or hard
to find tractors. I might even have a shop manual or two laying around.

If you have any questions, please let me know. You can call me any time at (877) 755-WELD (9353) ext 204 or by e-mail at performance@everlastwelders.com.

Hope to see you soon on the forums!

Thank you!

I clicked on the links above and none of them works. I was interested in a plasma, but with no stores with your products around a person would have to stock up on all the consumable.
Thank You.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

I clicked on the links above and none of them works

Note how far back it goes? 2010. That's 12 year. Those products and website have been updated since. And a new site is on the way again and hopefully will be in place by the end of the year. This is the third revision of our website since then. But here is our link to all that. Our product line has probably doubled or tripled since then. Our site is bursting at the seams and we need to expand it and redo it to accommodate products that were only a dream back then. Our current version is from 2013...although we've patched and edited it and expanded it about as far as it will go... We did recently have to go to a better, faster server.

Everlast Inverter Welders Equipment - Welding Supply Company - Official Website

Everlast Power Equipment, manufacturers of MIG, TIG & Stick welders. For reliable welding machines and supplies shop Everlast Power Equipment.

www.everlastgenerators.com

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Oops…

Our factory is NOT a collective. You are living in the 60's on old information. China, with regards to their operations is very capitalistic. Their politics are not. I'm not a union guy either.

And if you'd kindly stop highjacking this thread, it would be appreciated.

you got it…keep up the good work. Lol.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

China has come a loooong way...very capitalistic but heavy handed gov't, with limited liberties (with such a huge population, there comes drawbacks).

OK, now back on the thread.

I have a friend that has a generator/welder repair business. He is Lincoln/Miller certified, as well as generac. Been doing it for about 10 years now. He still doesn't like inverters and recommends transformers for the long haul. I just bought (for some chicken feed), an older Miller 250 that I have yet to use. It came as a hand me down from my work, but since I just started my job, I don't have any background experience with it. I was told it will overheat and stop. I still need a bottle of argon to get some testing done. I want to say it is about 20 years old, and Miller does not offer a transformer for it. IF they did, it would probably cost in the neighborhood of $1300, based on how much they sell one for a Miller 252 costs. OUCH. I'm hoping it might be something as simple as a loose wire, or bad cooling fan. My welding needs are usually short and repair oriented. Our weld shop has now gone totally Red, with about 12 units. 1 hypertherm plasma on a 2 axis table.

But $1300 would go a long ways to buy a nice inverter welder. So, there are 2 sides to every story. My friend says the inverter models (miller/lincoln) are very costly to repair too.


Time will tell if I made a bad investment (chicken feed).