SSQA, From the Seat Release

[npalen]

or lift it with upper attachment point, roll it back and shoot your pins or wedges

True, that is the way it is normally done but I believe he was talking about when a very light attachment makes it a bit more difficult to first get hooked under the top.

 

[SmallChange]

Isnt your pin engagement visible from the seat if you lift the implement and curl forward?

Lifting and curling forward is exactly what you'd do to drop the implement if it's not pinned.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Lifting and curling forward is exactly what you'd do to drop the implement if it's not pinned.

Well, yes, if you keep your eyes closed to prove your point -- or just generally have NO clue about what to look for as you do it.

 

[Avenger]

I really like this idea. I have bad knees, so the less times I need to climb up and down off the tractor, the better.

I have a 3rd function kit, that only really gets used when I'm hooked up to the grapple. I could use a small hydraulic cylinder off the third function kit, and simply have it in the latched position when using the grapple. OR, I could use a few blank spaces I have on the pillar in my cab for a switch and use an electric actuator. Either or, should be kinda simple. Might be a fun project in the near future.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Someone has perhaps mentioned this but it seems that 3rd function and hydraulic SSQA go hand in hand. Most implements don't require 3rd function so the the hoses stay "quick connected" to the SSQA. Then, when a grapple, for example, is attached and the SSQA is "engaged" the two hoses are then switched to the grapple, right? Removing the grapple then moves the hoses to the SSQA.

I can see the economy of the electric actuated SSQA but if you're going to have the 3rd function why not make use of it on the SSQA clamping? It gives you a clean place to store the hoses and quick couplers when not using the 3rdF, right? The hoses have to be handled regardless when mounting and dismounting a 3rdF attachment.

On our stuff, the machine has a diverter valve to switch. Having to switch hoses around would kinda defeat the purpose.

 

[SmallChange]

generally have NO clue about what to look for as you do it

Well, that's me, at least the first time....

 

[npalen]

On our stuff, the machine has a diverter valve to switch. Having to switch hoses around would kinda defeat the purpose.

I probably didn't make myself clear that a diverter valve or equivalent is required to utilize a third function such as a grapple, right? An extra set of hoses is required as well as quick couplers if other attachments will be used on the loader.

The grapple function and the SSQA latch function are never required at the same time but each requires a diverter and a set of hoses. I'm just saying that a person can easily share the valve, hoses and quick couplers between the grapple and the SSQA latch since they have to be uncoupled when removing the grapple anyway.

Then the hoses need a place to be stored and most folks attach the pair to each other to keep the couplers clean when not used. Instead, just plug them in to the quick couplers on the SSQA lock so meanwhile it is available for mounting and dismounting attachments.

As a side note, hoses, with their gender identity, will keep the movement direction the same with regard to the diverter valve for both the grapple and the SSQA lock. (P.S.--"Gender identity" used above with tongue in cheek political correctness. Notice I did not say male and female excluding the third variation

 

[Fallon]

You can do it with a 3rd function & 2 manual diverter valves.

Leave the valves set to the SSQA.
If you hitch up an impliment that needs the 3rd function, hitch up as normal. Then get off, hook up hoses & turn diverters to feed the 3rd function.
To unhitch get off, unhook hoses & return diverters to SSQA.

You'll have to always get off the machine to hook or unhook hoses. But there won't be any extra trips on or off the machine other than that.

 

[npalen]

You can do it with a 3rd function & 2 manual diverter valves.

Leave the valves set to the SSQA.
If you hitch up an impliment that needs the 3rd function, hitch up as normal. Then get off, hook up hoses & turn diverters to feed the 3rd function.
To unhitch get off, unhook hoses & return diverters to SSQA.

You'll have to always get off the machine to hook or unhook hoses. But there won't be any extra trips on or off the machine other than that.

There wouldn't be any extra "trips" with the scenario described in my post. You get off the tractor once when mounting the grapple and once when dismounting the grapple. No manual diverter valves required, just the usual 3rd function valve. Its just making better use of the 3rd function to power both the SSQA lock and the grapple.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Well, that's me, at least the first time....

For most everybody no doubt. Rare to have both latches disengaged or maybe "half" latched. The latter would be the harder to catch as it would uncurl sans cue and might then let go suddenly and fall off. Usually at least one latch is fully seated retaining the implement well enough to allow a looksee to assure both are seated.

 

[rScotty]

Hi rScotty. Isnt your pin engagement visible from the seat if you lift the implement and curl forward?

SmallChange:
Lifting and curling forward is exactly what you'd do to drop the implement if it's not pinned.

rSCOTTY:
Yes. that's right. In order to see the pin engagement from the tractor seat you have to curl the bucket down - and then if the pin isn't engaged the bucket will fall off. In fact, I've done that very thing.
rScotty

 

[npalen]

There wouldn't be any extra "trips" with the scenario described in my post. You get off the tractor once when mounting the grapple and once when dismounting the grapple. No manual diverter valves required, just the usual 3rd function valve. Its just making better use of the 3rd function to power both the SSQA lock and the grapple.

The silence is deafening! Is it completely absurd to consider using one 3rd function and one set of hoses to operate a grapple and an SSQL lock cylinder?

Edit: The grapple and lock will never be used at the same time. The hoses have to be plugged into the grapple when installing and vice-versa. The couplers need to be "stored" when not used on the grapple so just plug them into the SSQA lock cylinder which will be used for mounting and dismounting other attachments. No?

 

[ddbackhoe]

The silence is deafening! Is it completely absurd to consider using one 3rd function and one set of hoses to operate a grapple and an SSQL lock cylinder?

Edit: The grapple and lock will never be used at the same time. The hoses have to be plugged into the grapple when installing and vice-versa. The couplers need to be "stored" when not used on the grapple so just plug them into the SSQA lock cylinder which will be used for mounting and dismounting other attachments. No?

The ssqa latch is plumbed in without qc’s. The only qc’s are for the 3rd function

 

[Hay Dude]

Here’s kind of how I do it from seat.
Here’s a view of the 8’ loader bucket looking through the windshield from the my seat. It is supported by the top hooks of the bucket hooked onto the global quick attach bar. Note the pins are in their retracted position. I have the bucket raised to confirm this.

Next picture is of the pins after they have been “shot” into the loops on the bottom attachment point of the bucket. I am done attaching and ready to roll.

It really couldn’t be any easier. Its a bit of an upfront expense to install, but once it’s done, like power windows on a car, you’ll wonder how you lived without it.

 

[npalen]

The ssqa latch is plumbed in without qc’s. The only qc’s are for the 3rd function

That would require a 4th function valve in addition to the 3rd function valve or at least an additional diverter valve. Right? I'm saying let the 3rd function valve handle both. The hoses to the grapple have to be disconnected right? Just plug them in then to the SSQA lock when doing so for storage as well as function.



The grapple or any other function will never be required when the SSQA lock is being used and vice versa. Right? Someone please tell me if I'm overlooking something here.

 

[Fallon]

You could do it with an extra pair of QDs or a manual diverter valve. Cost wise those 2 are probably pretty similar.

In all cases you'd need to unhook the 3rd function and either reconnect the SSQA or throw the diverter valve. To some degree that is a nice safety so you can't unpin the SSQA with a hose hooked up.

 

[jonsstihl]

I did it on my tractor but I used a set of valves and tees. I have a third function with the valves open the third function locks and unlocks the ssqa. with the valves closed the thrid function operates the attachement. If you forget to close the valves when the grapple stops opening the ssqa unlocks.

cost me about 500$ instead of the 2500$ kubota factory option. I think I piggy backed on Fallon' thread about it but I can't remember if I ever posted pics or a video.

by the way 8 inchs stroke is just right but I had to extend the cylinder.

I preferred going with the valves route rather than plugging in the hoses for the ssqa in the third function qd's. the hoses to the ssqa are routed out of harms way and are never dangling.

npalen, what would you do with your ssqa hoses when you have a grapple mounted that needs the third function.

 

[jonsstihl]

found the thread, pics are on page 4. I guess I never posted the video.

Power SSQA control, manual diverter valve? Or what other options?

Look forward to photos!

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[npalen]

npalen, what would you do with your ssqa hoses when you have a grapple mounted that needs the third function.

I wouldn't have any extra hoses on the SSQA so the hoses from the 3RD function would plug into the grapple or the SSQA where and when needed.

Another option would be to run the SSQA hoses to bulkhead fittings mounted on the loader crossbar. The bulkhead fittings would have quick couplers installed.

A second option would be to use male and female couplers on the SSQA hoses and plug them into each other when not being used.

Edit: My thinking is that you have to get off the tractor to connect or disconnect the grapple hoses. So why not use that opportunity to reconnect the SSQA The safety factor, as you mentioned is that the SSQA can't be operated when the grapple hoses are connected.

I agree that a diverter valve in conjunction with the 3RD function would provide the same safety.

 

[jonsstihl]

I see so your hoses would remain attached to the third function qd's and you would just switch the other end to either the grapple or the SSQA.

thats another way of doing it.

All I know is that it makes my life way easier. especially since my tractor with snowblower is a tight squeeze in the garage so the bucket comes off whenever I park it in the garage. sure is nice not to have to get out to drop those handles.