Self driving cars will get their drivers killed

[turbo36]

So here is the thing.... if the bus had been self driving it would not have pulled out in front of you and thus there would have been no need for you to do what you did.

Really?

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Really?

But...but...you don't understand...if the truck had autopilot it wouldn't have turned over!

 

[/pine]

Elon Musk had to buy twitter to stop the guy from tracking his jet...people don't think that hacking anything on EVs sophisticated programs is not going to be a primary target of every black hat out there...and then some...better think again...!

I can see it now on the 101 when it's bumper to bumper for miles and every tesla all of a sudden turns left...or floors it...etc...!

 

[Oaktree]

Elon Musk had to buy twitter to stop the guy from tracking his jet...people don't think that hacking anything on EVs sophisticated programs is not going to be a primary target of every black hat out there...and then some...better think again...!

Not just EVs but most, if not all modern cars. They're all connected and have an IP address. Presumably someone who knows it could hack in and wreak havoc. A few years ago I saw something on tv where someone had done this (as a test, and with the knowledge of the driver) to a pruis. He was able to steer, accelerate, brake all from a laptop!

Given that you don't see many occurrences of this (yet) I'd have to guess that these systems are quite secure.

Sure does make me wanna go out and buy a tech-y new car. NOT.

 

[JasperFrank]

And 53 years later...... See where we are.

 

[mikester]

Ok, so when are the self driving cars supposed to arrive?

2016 According to Elon Musk

 

[4get gto]

Bidet just signed in a thing that requires all cars have to have remote remote kill switches by 2026.

'Vehicle Kill Switches' Now Mandated In New Cars By 2026

To the delight of UN Sustainable Development ideologues and control-freak Technocrats, private car ownership in America has suffered a fatal blow. Vehicle "kill switches" are now mandated by 2026 in Biden's infrastructure bill that was just signed into law. Those who warned in December that this...

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I'm not seeing anything bad by this ....?
Definitely keep car thieves from not going as far..New car dealers will absolutely love it....

 

[MossRoad]

The fact is during the 60s-70s muscle car era while true from the factory, exception being the super stock cars, weren't all that fast but they gave you the building blocks (no pun intended) to go fast. Top fuel, the fastest drag cars, 1/4 mile times in the 3s at over 300mph and motor based on Chrysler Hemi, cranking out 11,000 h.p.
We drag raced...and yes one could argue you pay $120,000, buy a Tesla Plaid it rides nice and it's fast...but any idea how fast you can go with $120K building something out of your home garage?
I'm not impressed.

I bought my RD400 for $600 and put about $1000 into it and ran 11.92s. That's not the point.

Also, top fuel is not 1/4 mile. It's 1000 feet. 320' shorter than 1/4 mile.

 

[MossRoad]

So here is the thing.... if the bus had been self driving it would not have pulled out in front of you and thus there would have been no need for you to do what you did.

DOH! Reality check!

Yep. If all vehicles were self driving and interconnected, they'd not get into the crashes that humans cause by bad/poor decisions, slow reaction time, inattention, distraction, etc.

Of course, going to work would be about as exciting as the It's a Small World ride at Disney, but hey, more of us would be alive and insurance costs would go down.

 

[turbo36]

DOH! Reality check!

Yep. If all vehicles were self driving and interconnected, they'd not get into the crashes that humans cause by bad/poor decisions, slow reaction time, inattention, distraction, etc.

Of course, going to work would be about as exciting as the It's a Small World ride at Disney, but hey, more of us would be alive and insurance costs would go down.

That is true if technology can be advanced to where it has a high degree of certainty. There would be way less crashes, and the government would certainly be keeping us safe. Perhaps we should expand it to all things in life? We should live in government supplied apartment buildings that have been deemed safe for our existence. Certainly individual property ownership leads to potential for accidents. And by all means we should advanced vegetarian factory foods, because that would certainly save the planet. oh, and my owning a gun can really lead to an accident, certainly need to ban those.

Of course I’m saying all this in jest so please don’t come at me with fires and pitchforks! I believe the real argument is what level of government intrusion do we want in our world? Driving on the road is a privilege, not a right. When we start taking away all risks in the name of safety it starts a slippery slope.

 

[Oaktree]

Yep. If all vehicles were self driving and interconnected, they'd not get into the crashes that humans cause by bad/poor decisions, slow reaction time, inattention, distraction, etc.

Of course, going to work would be about as exciting as the It's a Small World ride at Disney, but hey, more of us would be alive and insurance costs would go down.

I wonder how it would affect heavy traffic at rush hour, construction sites, lane merges, etc.? If vehicles automatically kept "safe" distances from others it would seem that traffic would be spread out even more than now. Much as most of us hate aggressive city drivers, it's a necessary skill in that environment.

Of course I’m saying all this in jest so please don’t come at me with fires and pitchforks! I believe the real argument is what level of government intrusion do we want in our world? Driving on the road is a privilege, not a right. When we start taking away all risks in the name of safety it starts a slippery slope.

No fire or pitchforks from me. While I'm all for designing products that aren't needlessly dangerous there seem to be those who think that everything be made totally idiot proof.
That having been said, I am a bit surprised that automakers (especially on EVs) are allowed to incorporate every function into those huge touchscreens in the middle of the dash, especially when it's necessary to dig thru menu levels to perform everyday tasks like adjusting the heater, mirrors, etc. making it necessary for the driver to take their eyes off the road to do so. More technology isn't always the answer. K.I.S.S.!

 

[fatjay]

I'm not seeing anything bad by this ....?
Definitely keep car thieves from not going as far..New car dealers will absolutely love it....

I'm not sure about you, but I am not a fan of the concept that the government can shut down my car any time they want.

 

[Fixastuff]

I'm not sure about you, but I am not a fan of the concept that the government can shut down my car any time they want.

They'll just hit you with a drone missle instead.

Self driving cars could help traffic if they all talked to each other, all accelerating and braking together eliminating the accordian effect.

Then when there is a 2 to 1 lane closure on a 55mph packed highway they can all speed up to 110mph to keep traffic from conjesting.

 

[4get gto]

I'm not sure about you, but I am not a fan of the concept that the government can shut down my car any time they want.

Government may want them for safety reason but honestly doubt they want to track you. Government wanted seat belts too.
Still think its a great idea for retrieving stolen cars..I have no fear of the government tracking me or turning my car off. Absolutely none.

 

[Jstpssng]

2016 According to Elon Musk

Are they going to be Deloreans, with the time traveling feature?

 

[Jstpssng]

I'm not sure about you, but I am not a fan of the concept that the government can shut down my car any time they want.

Perhaps if they would just shut down "that guy" who just has to drive in the left lane to get in front... long after everybody else has followed the "Merge right" sign...

 

[MossRoad]

Government may want them for safety reason but honestly doubt they want to track you. Government wanted seat belts too.
Still think its a great idea for retrieving stolen cars..I have no fear of the government tracking me or turning my car off. Absolutely none.

No, the government was pressured into requiring seatbelts by the public. Even once they were mandatory on cars, few people used them. Not until non-seatbelt usage became a ticketable offense, did Americans start using seat belts.

 

[Jstpssng]

No, the government was pressured into requiring seatbelts by the public. Even once they were mandatory on cars, few people used them. Not until non-seatbelt usage became a ticketable offense, did Americans start using seat belts.

I've worn mine most of the time since 1981, when I was in a junkyard and saw what a person's shoulder can do to the heavy steel door of a '70s vintage pickup.

I have never supported the law mandating them.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

DOH! Reality check!

Yep. If all vehicles were self driving and interconnected, they'd not get into the crashes that humans cause by bad/poor decisions, slow reaction time, inattention, distraction, etc.

Of course, going to work would be about as exciting as the It's a Small World ride at Disney, but hey, more of us would be alive and insurance costs would go down.

Self driving cannot outdrive/out think an experienced driver. The maneuver I made was insane, illegal and not one a computer would make...but we're safe & sound because of it, and I could give other examples.

 

[Sigarms]

That is true if technology can be advanced to where it has a high degree of certainty. There would be way less crashes, and the government would certainly be keeping us safe. Perhaps we should expand it to all things in life? We should live in government supplied apartment buildings that have been deemed safe for our existence. Certainly individual property ownership leads to potential for accidents. And by all means we should advanced vegetarian factory foods, because that would certainly save the planet. oh, and my owning a gun can really lead to an accident, certainly need to ban those.

Of course I’m saying all this in jest so please don’t come at me with fires and pitchforks! I believe the real argument is what level of government intrusion do we want in our world? Driving on the road is a privilege, not a right. When we start taking away all risks in the name of safety it starts a slippery slope.

News flash... If you have a smart phone, the government knows what they need to if they actually deem the time worthy of looking you up