4707

[daugen]

a successful day and fit ok in the barn.
Came with very little fuel, thought I was going to suck my diesel tank dry filling it...
No time to fiddle with it, was getting dark.
Sure did ride nice even with filled tires.

 

[Bigpuddie]

a successful day and fit ok in the barn.
Came with very little fuel, thought I was going to suck my diesel tank dry filling it...
No time to fiddle with it, was getting dark.
Sure did ride nice even with filled tires.

You are going to absolutely love it. Make sure the steering stops are set for a good turning radius. If you have any questions, give me a shout.

 

[LouNY]

a successful day and fit ok in the barn.
Came with very little fuel, thought I was going to suck my diesel tank dry filling it...
No time to fiddle with it, was getting dark.
Sure did ride nice even with filled tires.

Looks good, you may want to consider a larger tank and fuel delivery.

 

[daugen]

Looks good, you may want to consider a larger tank and fuel delivery.

Lou, I have a small DC fuel pump, name brand on a 250 gallon fuel tank. The Massey's tank holds 33 gallons, I think
the Kubota held 16. I just wasn't used to pumping 30 gallons of anything into anything since I sold my boat...

I don't have a fuel level gauge on my diesel tank and really want one. However with a fuel tank that big on the new tractor and my 100 hour a year usage, not sure I can justify bigger tank. I did go bigger on my propane from 500 to 1000 after last winter's surprise deep freeze here that
created emergency conditions for local propane companies and my tank got filled last and I worried about it. I can always fill up three yellow cans I have and make a diesel fuel run, and finally I have a tractor where the fuel fill is down low. Lifting those full diesel cans up on top of the hood of the Kubota was very hard on me. Plus you spilled and made a mess... I have four machines drinking diesel so just will have to see how it goes.
Usually runs out in dead of winter, which around here, with almost no snow, is not a problem. In fact better if ground is frozen since truck has to cross one area of lawn. It's a love hate affair with that diesel truck, thing is always cracking the edge of my paved driveway. 2x4's didn't help.
Maybe I need a mat of some sort.

back to tractor...I asked about air pressure in tires, confirmed 15-18 range based on loader use, but then dealer said something
interesting, said Michelin rep told him this, was told the key was to make sure you had three lugs on the ground at all time.
I thought that was an interesting approach. As long as you aren't going road speeds, which I don't, I'd rather run the tires a little soft for better ride.

Now the engine has three hours on it, was not warmed up fully but at 1800 rpm didn't want to start in top gear high range without bogging way down and sounding right on the verge of stalling, knocking like mad, needless to say stopped that promptly and was told you usually got into that gear after shifting up the gears. Ok...but I found that shifting while moving almost stopped the tractor each time maybe in higher gears/speeds you just need the momentum of getting that weight rolling. This is just me being a newbie with this. Am likely to never get out of low range.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Lou, I have a small DC fuel pump, name brand on a 250 gallon fuel tank. The Massey's tank holds 33 gallons, I think
the Kubota held 16. I just wasn't used to pumping 30 gallons of anything into anything since I sold my boat...

I don't have a fuel level gauge on my diesel tank and really want one. However with a fuel tank that big on the new tractor and my 100 hour a year usage, not sure I can justify bigger tank. I did go bigger on my propane from 500 to 1000 after last winter's surprise deep freeze here that
created emergency conditions for local propane companies and my tank got filled last and I worried about it. I can always fill up three yellow cans I have and make a diesel fuel run, and finally I have a tractor where the fuel fill is down low. Lifting those full diesel cans up on top of the hood of the Kubota was very hard on me. Plus you spilled and made a mess... I have four machines drinking diesel so just will have to see how it goes.
Usually runs out in dead of winter, which around here, with almost no snow, is not a problem. In fact better if ground is frozen since truck has to cross one area of lawn. It's a love hate affair with that diesel truck, thing is always cracking the edge of my paved driveway. 2x4's didn't help.
Maybe I need a mat of some sort.

back to tractor...I asked about air pressure in tires, confirmed 15-18 range based on loader use, but then dealer said something
interesting, said Michelin rep told him this, was told the key was to make sure you had three lugs on the ground at all time.
I thought that was an interesting approach. As long as you aren't going road speeds, which I don't, I'd rather run the tires a little soft for better ride.

Now the engine has three hours on it, was not warmed up fully but at 1800 rpm didn't want to start in top gear high range without bogging way down and sounding right on the verge of stalling, knocking like mad, needless to say stopped that promptly and was told you usually got into that gear after shifting up the gears. Ok...but I found that shifting while moving almost stopped the tractor each time maybe in higher gears/speeds you just need the momentum of getting that weight rolling. This is just me being a newbie with this. Am likely to never get out of low range.

Set the auto rpm to 1200. Tire pressure recommended is 23 by my MF dealer on the Trellborgs. Low range shifting on the fly isn't necessary. Shifting on the fly in high range is very smooth

 

[woolyAcres]

@daugen-
Nice looking machine. I see you have the 931X loader, I'm assuming that's not the self-leveling one, is that correct? Can I ask why you went with that over the self-leveler? And what size bucket is on that? The picture you posted of the front of the machine makes it look smaller than I suspect it is. And finally do you mind sharing what you paid for it? I know Bigpuddie got a great deal on his. If I'd known they could be had for what he paid I would have given it a long hard look. I'm curious about the going rate these days.

Best of luck with the new machine. It's a beauty! Enjoy.

 

[Bigpuddie]

@daugen-
Nice looking machine. I see you have the 931X loader, I'm assuming that's not the self-leveling one, is that correct? Can I ask why you went with that over the self-leveler? And what size bucket is on that? The picture you posted of the front of the machine makes it look smaller than I suspect it is. And finally do you mind sharing what you paid for it? I know Bigpuddie got a great deal on his. If I'd known they could be had for what he paid I would have given it a long hard look. I'm curious about the going rate these days.

Best of luck with the new machine. It's a beauty! Enjoy.

I got the 936x, self leveling, and it was an additional $900 over the 931x

 

[SteelMastiff]

a successful day and fit ok in the barn.
Came with very little fuel, thought I was going to suck my diesel tank dry filling it...
No time to fiddle with it, was getting dark.
Sure did ride nice even with filled tires.

Congratulations, great looking machine...

 

[daugen]

thanks guys. I intentionally bought the non self leveling loader because it has a higher lift rating, and I do not do hay.
What I do is raise a man lift up high for trimming trees with a 16 foot power pole and there I really could have used the self leveling.
Kind of shakes the poor guy in the bucket as I try to be smooth, which I'm not. New tractor has much faster hydraulics, need to practice going slowly.
I bought a fully loaded 4707 for 52K. That included a free bush hog so the real world price was say 50 grand, which is my gag level for just about anything, truck, etc. I also got a Bush Hog tiller for what I was originally quoted for the Chinese version, but turns out the less expensive one wasn't wide enough. So take another grand off, and I'm thinking the real world final price is about 49k. I know you can buy them for less...but the dealer made it all easy on me, took two tractors in trade, will be a good deal for him too.

got a coat of wax on yesterday and a coat of 303 on the plastic parts. Ready to get it dirty. Two inches of rain last night so have to wait a little bit for rototilling. And yeah, it feels BIG...need to relearn my clearances. Tires are pretty squishy, they set them at 15 I think, might go up a few pounds.

The paint job on the hood is every bit as outstanding as the paint job on the wheels is crummy. Dull flat silver paint, rough in spots, feels unfinished. Didn't expect shiny but the silver painted parts are the only thing so far that looks below expectation. The front hydraulics seem pretty vulnerable so need to be careful in woods. After tilling my WR Long grapple goes on the front.

Not happy with steering feel. Pump feels jerky not smooth. Stiff spots in turning.
Might have an issue there, could be just different than what I'm used to.
But steering feel is not smooth.

 

[LouNY]

Looking at the tires, the rears look good 2 1/2 to 3 bars on the ground a small amount of sidewall bulge,
the fronts could maybe use a bit more especially when using the loader.
One thing I would think about is a Bolt on cutting edge added to the bucket, the factory edge looks a bit light
for the weight and hp you have. Some of those cutting edges are pretty light duty.
The steering may run in after a bit, could be the king pins or axle joints. Is that a bevel drive reduction or a planetary?

Never mind the last question, I went back and looked after I posted, its a planetary style

 

[daugen]

I agree about the stock bucket, it's pretty wimpy for this weight tractor, which has the same hydraulics as the 100hp version.
The one that came on my Kubota had a reinforced lip, this didn't. I dig/haul topsoil and garden mulch, the latter would be helpful in a larger bucket.

Actually that bucket is going, might trade it on something else. Am putting my Long solid bucket grapple on as a default bucket, it's the size of this bucket but has serious teeth up front and is overall about twice as heavy duty. That bucket was too heavy for the Kubota and should be just right for this tractor.

Instead of a factory forward valving I believe the dealer installed one specially from WR Long, this one with a rocker switch for the grapple operation vs my prior two buttons. The forward valving is stacked somewhat inelegantly on top of the existing front hydraulic stack for the loader. Think I'd be happier seeing the whole area behind some shielding. Might try to make something myself, just started stick welding last summer and have lots of left over sheet metal from a mower deck re fabricating project.

I'll take a picture when the grapple is installed. First I have a couple of acres to rototill and no need to have the Long bucket out front
with those six inch long teeth as I'm trying to turn at the end of the field next to a woodline. Feel like a rhino with big horns out front...
I have a number of downed trees I can't wait to tackle with this tractor, though it's really nerve racking going into dense woods with a big cab tractor. Particularly trying to turn around. And the inching forward smoothly part seems only to be capable by using the floor clutch, so I have lots of practice ahead of me before I venture into any of my woods.

Lou, I think that bucket was the lowest cost option for them. Will be interesting to see if anyone else buys this tractor with the non self leveling loader and see what they get as standard. To begin with, it's a foot too narrow...and about half as heavy duty as it should be.
But for garden mulch it's simply undersized. No stones here at all....just tree work and hobby farming.
Yes, this is overkill for hobby farming. But I'm losing my health and this is my last tractor and I intend to have fun with it.

The seat alone makes it all worthwhile, hard to explain how much more comfortable that air ride seat is compared to a stock Kubota.
Which feels only marginally softer than the Quaker wooden bench I have sat on all my life...
So for a guy with very bad arthritis this air seat is like climbing in my hot tub. Just a big aahhhh.
Plus the wheel telescopes so you can have it exactly where everything comes to hand, so no leaning forward or arm flailings to operate
the thing. The seating position is really excellent, someone thought through the ergonomics.

While the engine is a proven Finnish Sisu design, I have to remember I bought the low hp version. Next size up is almost 10k more.
But I don't do hay nor do I need a batwing mower. My six foot bush hog will do just fine, in fact this tractor is over cutter's rating by a little.
I run below 540 anyway. My priorities were hydraulics, ease of use and comfort. For sure, others have different priorities.
Big 3 cylinder engine makes some pretty strong diesel knocking noises. Kubota was more refined.
Massey motor has a bit of a clatter at times. Fine by me, I really liked the low rpm knocking sound coming from the Indian built 2615
I traded in. It all smooths out with more rpm anyway.

 

[Bigpuddie]

thanks guys. I intentionally bought the non self leveling loader because it has a higher lift rating, and I do not do hay.
What I do is raise a man lift up high for trimming trees with a 16 foot power pole and there I really could have used the self leveling.
Kind of shakes the poor guy in the bucket as I try to be smooth, which I'm not. New tractor has much faster hydraulics, need to practice going slowly.
I bought a fully loaded 4707 for 52K. That included a free bush hog so the real world price was say 50 grand, which is my gag level for just about anything, truck, etc. I also got a Bush Hog tiller for what I was originally quoted for the Chinese version, but turns out the less expensive one wasn't wide enough. So take another grand off, and I'm thinking the real world final price is about 49k. I know you can buy them for less...but the dealer made it all easy on me, took two tractors in trade, will be a good deal for him too.

got a coat of wax on yesterday and a coat of 303 on the plastic parts. Ready to get it dirty. Two inches of rain last night so have to wait a little bit for rototilling. And yeah, it feels BIG...need to relearn my clearances. Tires are pretty squishy, they set them at 15 I think, might go up a few pounds.

The paint job on the hood is every bit as outstanding as the paint job on the wheels is crummy. Dull flat silver paint, rough in spots, feels unfinished. Didn't expect shiny but the silver painted parts are the only thing so far that looks below expectation. The front hydraulics seem pretty vulnerable so need to be careful in woods. After tilling my WR Long grapple goes on the front.

Not happy with steering feel. Pump feels jerky not smooth. Stiff spots in turning.
Might have an issue there, could be just different than what I'm used to.
But steering feel is not smooth.

Hey Daugen,
Bump your front tire PSI to 23. As for the steering, if you bought a leftover machine, there is a recall on the steering pump. My 2019 has the upgraded steering and it js smooth. On the wheel paint, it is not a gloss paint, it is a satin paint. On the loader, the specs on the brochure are wrong. The loaders are made by Quicke. Here is a link. The models are X3 and X3s.

X3 - Frontloader | Quicke | USFrontloader | Quicke | US

The self leveling actually is higher rated 31 inches from pins ( where bucket is)

 

[daugen]

SteelMastiff, didn't mean to hog up your thread.
this tractor seemed to me to be the most I could buy from a top tier tractor company
with all the bells and whistles I wanted for 50 grand.

If I had a LS dealer close by, who knows.
They are easily twenty percent less from my observations.
And the New Holland dealer might have been just fine.

hope the discussion helps to answer your question.

 

[bigsilver]

Kind of late to this 4707 party but I will jump in. I purchased a 4wd 4707 deluxe open station back in April of this year. I got it with the 931x loader (I prefer the non self leveling loader), MF 3rd function, rear tires filled, and a canopy.
Currently I only have 70 hrs on it, with work and rain this summer I was unable to use it as much as I was planning.

This tractor has been pretty trouble free so far. I did have a problem with the plug in on the 3rd function. When the tech installed it, he plugged it in and only made sure the black dust cover was tight. The connector was never locked in. Simple fix. I also had the connections loosen up where the loader control cables go into the control valve. I have never had this happen before so that took a little time to figure out. Ended up all they needed was to be tightened up and all is good. The only other problem I have had was the pins on the top of the lift arm leveling assembly have frozen where they can not be removed. That being said, it was cold out the day i was trying to remove them and that might have something to do with it. I was able to remove the pin from the lift arm and unscrew the leveling assembly to make the adjustment.

Over all I am pleased with the tractor. I agree with what has been said above that she is a gutless pig below ~1200 rpm but I don't operate it under that anyway. The tractor has not had any problem pulling a 4x5 baler even if it had a almost full chamber on the hills I have to bale.

The only thing I would have changed, would have been putting an air seat on it (i don't know if that is even possible on an open station). Other than the air seat I am happy with it.

 

[daugen]

a few more pics, showing rear, which is quite beefy, and hydraulic stack up front.
BigSilver, good to know, thanks, when I'm mowing I'll crank up the rpms.
Hydraulic top link on order.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Did some grading today...

 

[SteelMastiff]

SteelMastiff, didn't mean to hog up your thread.
this tractor seemed to me to be the most I could buy from a top tier tractor company
with all the bells and whistles I wanted for 50 grand.

If I had a LS dealer close by, who knows.
They are easily twenty percent less from my observations.
And the New Holland dealer might have been just fine.

hope the discussion helps to answer your question.

Sincerely, please hog away as much as humanly possible, after all, it's exactly what I was hoping would happen.... Nothing better than getting real world experience and opinions on these tractors, hopefully you guys will continue to share your experiences, opinions, and photos...

I'm not certain which tractor I might end up with in the end, but I do know which one to this point is at the top of my list.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Nice tractor daugen. I know how you feel about the air ride seat. Big difference. The weight and wheelbase of your tractor will ride well anyway and the air ride seat is just icing on the cake.

If you ever road the tractor you may need to shift gears like a car on the road. I know that was a learning experience for me with my T4.75. Been on tractors most all of my life and never had to do that before.

I'm debating a tooth bar now for my front bucket. Don't know if that is an option for you or not.

I know how you feel. Just like I did with my used T4.75. I figure letting somebody else scrape the paint off my tractor was therapeutic to me knowing I would not be the first offender.

Keep us updated with pictures. Thank you Bigpuddie for your insights on the tractor also. Massey IMHO has a winner here.

 

[daugen]

I admit hydraulic ignorance. Could someone explain just what I'm looking at here?
This is the forward hydraulic package, possibly sourced or specified for WR Long, though I don't know why the brand
should make a difference. Of course it meant a new knob on the top of my joystick too. With the rocker button.

It almost looks like there is a motor in there, what are the black parts and what are the silver parts, other than ports?
thanks.

 

[daugen]

DL, the NH dealer here is strictly big ag. I felt kind of foolish even going in there because what you drive was the exact model
I was looking at. And I already really liked the Massey dealer. But my understanding is that NH can duplicate my tractor, price remaining a question. No question as to JD, I can't afford a 5R.

Well, I've owned three Japanese tractors, one Indian tractor, now one Chinese tractor, and thankfully,
my Super A has a happy Made In The USA label on it.
so I'm left with a 20 year old Iseki/MF for turf tire wagon duty, flinging fertilizer, little stuff, and my new tractor
to dig in the dirt. And that is where I'm going right now, to get a little mud on its new tires.
But first a little more air in the front tires.

I asked dealer to check out recall on my steering and they are.