Grid-tied solar

   / Grid-tied solar #491  
John D. Rockefeller and the Oil Industry : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education
Unfettered free markets are a great thing, built the country and the world. Everyone won. HS

The overproducing of oil and the developing of new markets caused the price of oil to fluctuate wildly. In 1862 a barrel (42 gallons) of oil dropped in value from $4.00 to 35 cents. Later, when President Lincoln bought oil to fight the Civil War, the price jumped back to $4.00, then to $13.75. A blacksmith took $200 worth of drilling equipment and drilled a well worth $100,000. Others, with better drills and richer holes, dug four wells worth $200,000. Along side the new millionaires of the moment were the thousands of fortune hunters who came from all over to lease land and kick down shafts into it with cheap foot drills. Most failed. Even Colonel Drake died in poverty. As J. W. Trowbridge wrote, “Almost everybody you meet has been suddenly enriched or suddenly ruined (perhaps both within a short space of time), or knows plenty of people who have.

Read more: John D. Rockefeller and the Oil Industry : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education

Article on life of John D Rockerfeller stated drop was due to overproduction

Those few who struck oil often wasted more than they sold. Thousands of barrels of oil poured into Oil Creek, not into tanks. Local creek bottoms were often flooded with runaway oil; the Allegheny River smelled of oil and glistened with it for many miles toward Pittsburgh. Gushers of wasted oil were bad enough; sometimes a careless smoker would turn a spouting well into a killing inferno. Other wasters would torpedo holes with nitroglycerine, sometimes losing the oil and their lives.

Read more: John D. Rockefeller and the Oil Industry : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education

Unfettered free market had/has its downsides. Not everyone wins when companies/individuals do not pay the cost of their pollution.

This article does not give good evidence of what you claim. Also just for comparison

In 2012, the relative value of $0.35 from 1862 ranges from $6.38 to $973.00.
In 2012, the relative value of $4.00 from 1862 ranges from $73.00 to $11,100.00.
Measuring Worth - Measures of worth, inflation rates, relative value, worth of a dollar, purchase power

The values you chose to support your claim were from 1862 on a barrel (42 gallon) of crude.


Probably not a good idea to hijack this enjoyable thread but your hollow claim needed to be addressed. The balance of free market and regulation is very complex and debated by many. Bottom line with solar is its working pretty well.

Loren
 
   / Grid-tied solar #492  
Elon Musk founder of Tesla car company (among other things) said that burning oil is like burning furniture to heat your house. It would be more valuable to turn it in some other stuff of lasting value in example plastics.
 
   / Grid-tied solar #493  
Elon Musk founder of Tesla car company (among other things) said that burning oil is like burning furniture to heat your house. It would be more valuable to turn it in some other stuff of lasting value in example plastics.

Elon Musk is a very wise man.

He's starting up his own battery production. Can you imagine the world we'd live in if there were just 100 people like Musk?
 
   / Grid-tied solar #494  
Elon Musk is a very wise man. He's starting up his own battery production. Can you imagine the world we'd live in if there were just 100 people like Musk?
Agree about Musk, but we have enough oil for a few thousand years, there is no shortage. While electric cars are interesting no electric car can match the efficiency of using the energy directly in the vehicle. Even Musk knows that! And with man made warming clearly shown to be a hoax, and CO2 found not to be a warming gas in climate change there is no urgency to reduce CO2. What solar does for you today is insulate you from government controls of your life style, coming in the so called smart grid. HS
 
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   / Grid-tied solar #495  
Agree about Musk, but we have enough oil for a few thousand years, there is no shortage. While electric cars are interesting no electric car can match the efficiency of using the energy directly in the vehicle. Even Musk knows that! And with man made warming clearly shown to be a hoax, and CO2 found not to be a warming gas in climate change there is no urgency to reduce CO2. What solar does for you today is insult you from government controls of your life style, coming in the so called smart grid. HS


What? That's completely inaccurate. All I'll say on the matter, so as not to ruin Dave's thread.
 
   / Grid-tied solar #496  
I appreciate very much the work by Dave1949 and others to document their experiences and the technical and household financial issues involved. Kudos to all for this work. It is exceptionally useful for others, like myself, who are exploring solar power possibilities and beginning to think through options and trade offs. Many thanks.
 
   / Grid-tied solar #497  
What? That's completely inaccurate. All I'll say on the matter, so as not to ruin Dave's thread.
Thanks. I like TBN a lot more since they have tried to funnel all the divisive topics into the Front Porch section.
 
   / Grid-tied solar #498  
Agree about Musk, but we have enough oil for a few thousand years, there is no shortage. While electric cars are interesting no electric car can match the efficiency of using the energy directly in the vehicle. Even Musk knows that! And with man made warming clearly shown to be a hoax, and CO2 found not to be a warming gas in climate change there is no urgency to reduce CO2. What solar does for you today is insulate you from government controls of your life style, coming in the so called smart grid. HS

Were you trying to be sarcastic? We are not sure and would appreciate confirmation one way or the other.
 
   / Grid-tied solar
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The system hit an all-time high today of 30.8 AC kWh. Temps in the mid-20's, clear sky, and reflective snow on the ground.

Theoretically, I should see similar outputs in September (the sun angle is the same as now) but the lack of snow and warmer panel temps reduce the output. The air was really dry today also. We had -7F this morning with just a hint of frost on the car outside, and none on the panels which are higher above the ground. I doubt if it ever gets that dry in September, which means more water vapor in the air reducing the sunlight intensity.

I appreciate everyone's interest in this thread. I'll keep plugging in the monthly performance as long as people are viewing. Of course, others are welcome to add anything of interest.
 

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