Hello from a new Branson 2400h owner.

[JeffinNB]

Hi all

I just bought a 2016 Branson 2400h 4x4 with the sl00 fel and an MK Martin 60 inch blower. The lady I bought it from didn't post a price in the ad so when I inquired and she said $6k (CDN) I bought it.

324 hours on it. The only thing wrong with it is the rear hydraulic lift arms don't work.

Jeff

 

[Thomas]

Welcome to TBN Jeff.

 

[MoKelly]

Welcome from Missouri.

 

[oldnslo]

Jeff,
On the 3 point does it raise and not lower? If yes look under the seat behind your calves for a black knob. Turn this counter - clockwise to increase lowering speed since if fully closed it will not allow the arms to lower.

324 hours it is just getting broke in.

 

[JeffinNB]

The 3ph does not raise. I did check the 3ph lowering control knob when I first went to see the tractor. I wasn't that lucky.

I found a claw hammer jammed under the seat and the position control lever was bent.

I moved the position control arm by hand and nothing. The feedback arm jam nuts are also loose.

I think the feedback arm moves the spool in the position control valve to divert oil to tank until the arms reach the setting position then flow stops. The arms should stay in that position until the position control level is moved to raise the arms then the spool is moved by the position control arm to supply oil to the piston and so on.

The original owners wife said her husband was a hack. I see why she said that with some of the things I've found on this tractor.

I think the feedback arm is my issue. Is this 45 degree elbow and cap oem? I assume it's for rear hydraulics.

 

[oldnslo]

Jeff
On my 2400H the pressure line from the pump had a round junction block with two hoses that come out the face. One of these is pressure to loader valve and other is power beyond feeding the 3 point. If yours is the same follow the power beyond hose back to where it connects on transaxle housing. Is that the same hose that the 45 degree fitting is in? If yes what that 45 degree fitting connect too?

From memory I can push or pull ( don’t remember which) the feed back rod and make the arms move.

 

[JeffinNB]

The 45 degree is not connected to anything. It's capped off. I believe it's for an optional addon rear hydraulic control for blower chute control or a hydraulic toplink.

The hydraulic line connected to the banjo is coming from a block near the front.

Playing with these arms I was able to get the 3ph to move but only after fully opening that black knob. Now I can't duplicate it and it won't move any more.

I was excited for 2 minutes.

 

[oldnslo]

Are the 3 point arms fully raised? If yes with control in full lower position try adding some weight to the 3 point arms to see if they lower. Possible cold oil and sticky lift rams seals might keep the arms raised with no load on them.

Worked once is good sign.

 

[JeffinNB]

No they are not. I can manually move them up and down by hand with no resistance.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Well, 3pt will always move up without resistance.

 

[oldnslo]

I just went and looked at my 2400H. I did not lay on the ground to confirm but fairly confident that 45 degree fitting in the banjo bolt is the power beyond - pressure supply line to the 3 point. In looking at how the lift - lower lever operates it does not rotate the control arm - spool very much so kind of hard to tell if it is moving.
Have you looked real close to see if the linkage is actually turning the lift lower valve. The lever does not attach directly to control spool on mine but has a "U" shaped bracket that moves a pin that turns the spool via additional linkage. Possible the cobbler changed something a tad when he added the 45 degree fitting.
As point of reference : On mine feed back lever has approx 1/4 - 5/16" of threads exposed on end past lock nut.

 

[JeffinNB]

I'm going to remove the 3ph valve assembly and check these levers for damage this evening. I may be able to run the tractor if I keep the supply line connected and test the positioning valve.

 

[oldnslo]

That 3 point control diagram certainly looks different than my 2400H. I guess before I started pulling valves I try and confirm the lever is rotating the control valves and possibly even study how designed to move and try moving by hand some to see if they turn.

Do you know when this worked last? I.e. previous owner used the 3 point?

 

[JeffinNB]

The only differences I see between our tractors is mine has a hydraulic hose supplying pressure and your's has a hard line. Mine has the banjo bolt head drilled and tapped for pressure take of and your's works and mine doesn't.

Nothing looks bent or damaged on the internal position or feedback arms.

The original owner installed this winch to raise and lower the 3ph. One of my previous posts mentioned the claw hammer I found jammed in the position lever and that it had bent the lever so it didn't engage the valve control arm.

I'm going to attach the pressure line and see what kind of mess I can make.

 

[oldnslo]

Ok now I am really curious on how is the winch operated and why was it installed to operate the 3 point.

Hopefully you won’t make to big of a mess.

 

[JeffinNB]

He put a winch switch.

I found scuffing on this rod on the valve spool. Going to buff it out.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

His wife said he was a hack? Yup. What the hell

 

[oldnslo]

Maybe dumb question but did the previous owner by chance block that banjo fitting when he put the elbow in so no oil is getting to the 3 point? That is the only way he could have gotten flow - pressure out the 45 degree other than while lifting a load on the 3 point. Would explain winch and none working 3 point and winch.
I certainly hope not but who knows….

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

This is the one where the previous owner installed a winch to lift and lower the 3-pt hitch.

It is absolutely wild what people will do to solve a problem.

 

[JeffinNB]

I didn't get a chance to start the tractor last night as it was getting late.

I had found a manual for setting this valve but can't seem to find it again.

The two levers, positioning and feedback, both need to be connected for the spool to move. If only one is connected the internal arm just pivots.