How Strong is the JD Cab's Glass

[MF1652]

Talk to anyone working an orchard. Cab windows will break if hit just right. My father runs a MF383 with a Laurin cab. Every piece of glass has been replaced at least once while spraying the orchards. And it gets pricey.

I would bet there are cab companies where the glass fairs better than others and probably has some to do with how they are insulated in the frame.

 

[jenkinsph]

Talk to anyone working an orchard. Cab windows will break if hit just right. My father runs a MF383 with a Laurin cab. Every piece of glass has been replaced at least once while spraying the orchards. And it gets pricey.

I would bet there are cab companies where the glass fairs better than others and probably has some to do with how they are insulated in the frame.

The cab door I mentioned on the prior page was on a Laurin cab. I think that their glass is as good as most found on cab tractors today. You can break any of them though. all you have to do is be unlucky for a moment.

 

[D7E]

Norm Crosby would be proud of you.

Unless you purposely chose to use a malaprop here, the word you're looking for is ornithologist.

Sorry stephen hawkins.....Is this how some of you get kicks confusing humour for mistakes that you can correct us on........jees !

 

[greg_g]

Sorry stephen hawkins.....Is this how some of you get kicks confusing humour for mistakes that you can correct us on........jees !

I don't get it. You've offered evidence that's pretty clearly outside the normal experience range of many who've responded so far. But there's not one single malicious post. A few have experienced the opposite, a few have posted good natured jest.

Why can't you accept that not everybody has the same tractor with the same glass that contributed to your bird experience. And I have to state again, this topic was originally and specifically addressed to the John Deere 3000/4000 series cabs. As has been said more than once, all tractor cab glass is not created equal.

So. Since you clearly feel you're being picked on, is there a persecution complex involved here or what?

Lighten up.

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[powerpace]

Safety glass will break easily if it hit near an edge. The guy that puts up hay for me has a John Deere with a window broken out. Rock strike from a mower. I have driven several cab tractors with windows broken. Don't know how they were broken. Several people drove those.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I don't get it. You've offered evidence that's pretty clearly outside the normal experience range of many who've responded so far. But there's not one single malicious post. A few have experienced the opposite, a few have posted good natured jest. p

Why can't you accept that not everybody has the same tractor with the same glass that contributed to your bird experience. And I have to state again, this topic is addressed to the John Deere 3000/4000 series cabs. As has been said more than once, all tractor cab glass is not created equal.

So. Since you clearly feel you're being picked on, is there a persecution complex involved here or what?

Lighten up.

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Actually it pretty much is. The only real difference as far as breakage goes is going to be the shape, (curvature) of it and how it is installed as in is it glued in or installed with a rubber gasket. If you were to take the glass out and look at the edge of it, it will all be pretty much the same, It's either tempered or laminated, all the laminated is going to be pretty much the same and all the tempered is going to be very close to the same. It's not like they use x strength glass in JD and xx strength glass in Kubota. They all will have x strength glass.

 

[greg_g]

Actually it pretty much is.

Well - technically - tempered glass is not equal to laminated glass. But clearly I should have been more specific. How about this? Not all glass tractor cabs are created equal.

But truthfully, I never even realized there was such a thing as tempered glass in a tractor cab. I thought it was all laminated, like automotive windshields. That said, I'm going to once again try to steer the discussion back to the OP question regarding the laminated glass in the JD3000/4000 series cabs.

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[MtnViewRanch]

Well - technically - tempered glass is not equal to laminated glass. But clearly I should have been more specific. How about this? Not all glass tractor cabs are created equal.

But truthfully, I never even realized there was such a thing as tempered glass in a tractor cab. I thought it was all laminated, like automotive windshields. That said, I'm going to once again try to steer the discussion back to the OP question regarding the laminated glass in the JD3000/4000 series cabs.

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Greg, never said that tempered was equal to laminated, I said that the cabs have both, just like a vehicle, laminated in the windshield and tempered every where else. I think that you will find that in your JD cab that it has laminated glass in the windshield and tempered in all the rest. I assure you that your doors are not laminated glass. Laminated glass as does any annealed glass looses a lot of it's strength once a hole is drilled in it or that it has a notch put in it. Look at the logo on the glass in the lower corner of the glass. It will say if it is laminated or tempered.

Tempered laminated is possible, but very expensive and not very common. I think that BMW-AMGs have tempered laminated in their side and back windows.

 

[blueriver]

Glass will break.

 

[First one]

Everyone,

I was wondering how strong the JD's 3000/4000 series' Cab's glass was? How large of a branch could whack the glass before it breaks? Any idea what the cost would be to replace the glass if it breaks? Has anyone ever had this unfortunate issue happen? I know one of the farmers down the street was on his 4320 last year brush hogging and a stone/small rock flipped up, hit the back window and broke it; needless to say, he was not happy.

I don't know about JD's cab glass ,but that was a worry for me when I got my kubota . I ended up getting Insurance with Kubota and if i break one it's $250 deductible no matter what hits it ...rock ,limb, or bird.
Reminded me of when the farmer where I worked was mowing and came back with the back window broke out , glass all though the cab and even had some cuts on his arms. He said he picked up a rock when mowing. He had it replaced and one day not to long after that while just getting out of his cab shut the door and walked away when we heard it blow out, or I should say in. When we cleaned out the glass around the window gasket we found a few small stones between the frame and where the gasket went. He thought maybe there were in there when the new window was put in ,maybe not , but it sounded like a gun going off .

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I don't know about JD's cab glass ,but that was a worry for me when I got my kubota . I ended up getting Insurance with Kubota and if i break one it's $250 deductible no matter what hits it ...rock ,limb, or bird.
Reminded me of when the farmer where I worked was mowing and came back with the back window broke out , glass all though the cab and even had some cuts on his arms. He said he picked up a rock when mowing. He had it replaced and one day not to long after that while just getting out of his cab shut the door and walked away when we heard it blow out, or I should say in. When we cleaned out the glass around the window gasket we found a few small stones between the frame and where the gasket went. He thought maybe there were in there when the new window was put in ,maybe not , but it sounded like a gun going off .

Yeah, that's what tempered glass sounds like when it breaks.

 

[greg_g]

cabs have both, just like a vehicle, laminated in the windshield and tempered every where else.

Thanks, I was unaware of that. Gonna have a closer look at mine tomorrow.

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[mjncad]

Sorry stephen hawkins.....Is this how some of you get kicks confusing humour for mistakes that you can correct us on........jees !

Oh for Christ's sake, lighten up. I smiled at your malaprop; but if you wish to be ignorant of the proper word, be my guest and I can introduce you to a guy in Michigan who is just like you. By the way, the man's name you attempted to quote is Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd rather be a Stephen Hawking nerd than a Larry-the-cable-guy dolt. :thumbdown:

 

[RickB]

This is the kind of garbage that gets posted when a question is asked that can't be answered using the information given.

How big a branch will break cab glass? Depends a whole lot on the impact velocity and where and how the impact occurs.

Will cab glass break? Yes.
Does it break often? No if you are careful; yes if you are not.
Some cab tractor owners never break cab glass, others are repeat glass customers. If you habitualy operate a cab tractor with a door or window open, your chances of breaking that glass are exponentially higher than if it were kept closed.

 

[eagle107]

This is the kind of garbage that gets posted when a question is asked that can't be answered using the information given.

How big a branch will break cab glass? Depends a whole lot on the impact velocity and where and how the impact occurs.

Will cab glass break? Yes.
Does it break often? No if you are careful; yes if you are not.
Some cab tractor owners never break cab glass, others are repeat glass customers. If you habitualy operate a cab tractor with a door or window open, your chances of breaking that glass are exponentially higher than if it were kept closed.

Not sure if I am misinterpreting your answer here, but it sounds like you are ticked off with my question. All I am really looking for are stats about the glass strengthen/durability of the JD 4000 series compact tractor cabs because I could not find any. Is the front glass stronger than the sides or rear glass or is it the same all round? The glass is curved so does that add or detract to the strength of the glass? So far it sounds like the glass could be laminated in the front and tempered on the sides and back or it could be all tempered glass. In addition, it sounds like the curvature of the glass could provide a little more strength possibly.

I was also wondering what other JD 4000 compact tractor cab owners experienced when they hit stuff.

As for velocity, I am simply mowing slowing (may be 2-3MPH) through the woods and might hit some branches at 1 ½" or less.

 

[greg_g]

Naw, he was addressing some of the responses that drifted so far away from the specific intent of your question. In fact, Rick's profile doesn't show a 3000/4000 series cab either. So like I said; I have a 3730, but it's said to be the same cab as the 4x20 series. Hence the same glass: Pilkington. I'll go out when the sun comes up and copy down the numbers on the panes. Small chance, but they might help differentiate between laminate and tempered. I'll also look closely at the edges. Not sure that it proves anything, but tapping on the windshield produces a different sound than tapping on the doors or the rear window. However I think that may have more to do with construction than glass type.

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[eagle107]

Naw, he was addressing some of the responses that drifted so far away from the specific intent of your question. In fact, Rick's profile doesn't show a 3000/4000 series cab either. So like I said; I have a 3730, but it's said to be the same cab as the 4x20 series. Hence the same glass: Pilkington. I'll go out when the sun comes up and copy down the numbers on the panes. Small chance, but they might help differentiate between laminate and tempered. I'll also look closely at the edges. Not sure that it proves anything, but tapping on the windshield produces a different sound than tapping on the doors or the rear window. However I think that may have more to do with construction than glass type.

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Yeah, I was not sure if it was my question or something else. I try not to draw conclusions because people can interpret responses from posts or emails in many different ways.

I appreciate the help.

Thank you!

 

[buickanddeere]

Same as any other cab glass. I don't understand the concern?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Naw, he was addressing some of the responses that drifted so far away from the specific intent of your question. In fact, Rick's profile doesn't show a 3000/4000 series cab either. So like I said; I have a 3730, but it's said to be the same cab as the 4x20 series. Hence the same glass: Pilkington. I'll go out when the sun comes up and copy down the numbers on the panes. Small chance, but they might help differentiate between laminate and tempered. I'll also look closely at the edges. Not sure that it proves anything, but tapping on the windshield produces a different sound than tapping on the doors or the rear window. However I think that may have more to do with construction than glass type.

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I'm pretty sure that the windshield sounds different because it is laminated glass and all the rest are tempered. Again it should say tempered or laminated in one of the lower corners with some other numbers that are actually just licence numbers to allow them to make that type of glass. Any curved glass that is supported continuously on all sides is stronger than a flat piece that would be in the same type of frame.

 

[greg_g]

I'm pretty sure that the windshield sounds different because it is laminated glass and all the rest are tempered.

Nope. All four sides have identical markings. Windshield is flat, doors and rear glass are curved. So I'm thinkin' it's cuz the front is fixed and framed, and the other 3 sides are hinged and frameless. Here's what I found:

Pilkington
Tempered
43R-001546 (which I'll speculate is the glass type)
E1 (inside a square) followed by AS2-M550 DOT614 (safety standards?)
e1 (inside a circle) followed by 000288 with a 0 centered underneath (another safety standard?).

Hopefully somebody smarter than me can run with these numbers and come up with more specifics as to the lamination versus tempered versus safety glass aspects

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