Is there any science behind pucker factor?

   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #61  
patrick_g said:
It is natural (and a vital survival trait) for there to be significant variation in a biologic population. Natural selection then eliminates the individuals and what would have been their progeny when traits have a lower survival value. Nature selects for the most appropriate attributes. Over time those who "felt funny" about being on the edge of a drop off or similar out reproduced those who fell from high places and were crippled or worse.

This seems contrary to everything in the world. This country for one was built on people taking chances, exploring the wild, standing up against all odds. With all this natural selection, I guess you believe we came from monkeys...I don't. And I still see fat people, skinny people, short people, tall people all waking around. You would think natural selection would week out all the "non datable" :D people.

patrick_g said:
Those with tooooo much adverse reaction to heights might be too timid with respect to certain activities and not gather as much food or kill something for dinner.

So I read this as "girly men" there are still plenty of those around to. Watch HGTV lately? So much for natual selection. :D
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #62  
RobJ said:
This seems contrary to everything in the world. This country for one was built on people taking chances, exploring the wild, standing up against all odds. With all this natural selection, I guess you believe we came from monkeys...I don't. And I still see fat people, skinny people, short people, tall people all waking around. You would think natural selection would week out all the "non datable" :D people.



So I read this as "girly men" there are still plenty of those around to. Watch HGTV lately? So much for natual selection. :D

Sorry if I hit a nerve Rob, I didn't want to retry the Scopes trial. Not sure to what you refer as "THIS" the "this" that is contrary to the world. It is nature's way to have a lot of variation and a good thing it does. Over specialization can lead to extinction. Over time the most successful out compete the least successful. Your opinion about "datable" is not important to nature as regards survival value. Often what is good for the species is not particularly good for the individual. This is similar to what is good for a nation may not be good for young men in the army. Explorers and adventurers are more often killed off and may have fewer progeny BUT the society as a whole benefits from their activities. In aggregate, over time, natural selection is just a bit more sophisticated than pretty girls have more babies and I didn't evolve from a monkey.

There is much more depth and width to this discussion than should ever be inflicted on the innocent lurkers and I don't think it is appropriate to have it here. I think it is less important to have it here than to restart the magic conveyor controversy. I am not "selling" Darwin's "Origin of Species" and I will not retry the Scopes "Monkey Trial."

Oh, and by the way... datable may not be the same as or as important as "able to get pregnant" or "able to impregnate" as nature doesn't care if you date or not, just if you have offspring to compete in the grand scheme of things.

I was only commenting on a narrow concept. Basically the concept is that dead people don't raise as many children and people who do risky things are more likely to become dead people, ergo, there is a tendency, over time, for those who are more circumspect about cliffs, high places and the like to raise more children. This tilts the population dynamics in favor of those with the funny feeling about heights and drop offs. This tendency is sufficient to render those with the funny feeling as normal as they are definitely in the majority.

I also mentioned that there is a wide variation in people. This gives us a constant supply of those with varying degrees of timidity regarding heights and drop offs. The least effected climb everest, base jump, work high steel, etc and sometimes perform a useful service to our society when they live long enough.

Oh and by the way, just what the heck does "GIRLIE MAN" and HGTV got to do with an intelligent conversation? I don't care what you watch or how you dress.

If you want to be a cross dressing Lumber Jack and be OK, that is fine with me. I could care less what day you go shopping or have buttered scones for tea or whether or not you put on girlie clothing and hang around in bars. (My apologies to Monty Python!)

Pat
 
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MossRoad said:
The lumberjack song! :D

Well... DU--UH, I did credit Monty Python!

Pat ;) ;) (A wink is as good as a not to a blind horse.)
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #65  
This may be off subject but I think this observation is relevant to this discussion.
Many years ago we traveled to the Ozark mountains on July 4 and had a little picnic right by a very beautiful high overlook on top of a mountain. At that time this overlook had no fence or guardrails and was essentially a rock jutting out into space hundreds of feet above ground below.
While we were there, hundreds of people stopped to view the overlook. It didn't take me long to realize that only teenagers or people in their early twenties would walk out to the end of the rock and peer over. Most people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s would always stand back from the edge at least a few feet. Senior citizens would never go within 10 feet of the edge.
Analyze this observation as you wish as I have already formed my own opinion. The only thing that bothers me about my opinion is that I am now a senior citizen and you will find me out on the edge with the teenagers.:p
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #66  
Here's puckerrrr factor Power Trac style....

The original Power Trac test pilot Bubenberg demonstrates proper technique. :D
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   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #67  
My SIL recently returned from Ireland. She was surprised to see no guard rails or hand rails or warning signs at most of the locations where there were significant numbers of tourists free to walk right up to the edge of undercut cliffs, hundreds of feet above wave washed rocks.

Different society, different norms. None of the locals were tossing their children over the sides to be able to sue the Gov for lack of proper safety equipment. The footing was rocky, uneven and often slippery and wet.

Apparently the Irish in those areas have long since eliminated the folks who had to have the government provide for their safety and most of those left aren't too likely to fall to their death for whatever reason.

Pat
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #68  
patrick_g said:
Sorry if I hit a nerve Rob, ...snip....and I didn't evolve from a monkey. ....snip....

Pat


good post.

soundguy
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #69  
Soundguy said:
good post.

soundguy

Thank you very much, SoundGuy. Oh, by the way, recent DNA research has indicated that maybe the chimpanzee IS NOT our closest living relative at 98% plus match in our DNA. Recent results propose the orangutan. When a friend read that, he got my attention and I put down my banana, knuckled over by him, and took a look!

Global patterns of human DNA sequence variation in...[Mol Biol Evol. 2001] - PubMed Result

One of many blurbs on the topic. Pretty dense reading that can put you to sleep in a hurry if you have to "look up the hard words."

Pat ;) ;) ;)
 
   / Is there any science behind pucker factor? #70  
"and I didn't evolve from a monkey"

I'll bet the monkeys are happy to hear that! :D:D:D:D:D
 

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