LMAO This has been yet another fantastically entertaining thread. I have nothing real to add unfortunately, as I was late to the party and my thoughts were all covered....I can say that I have a higher pucker tolerance than most i guess... I have run and old Massey with no ROPS while mowing ditches during which the tractor was sliding down hill and was a little light on the uphill side.... I was puckering, but had seen other mow it before me and new it could be done.
Is there any science behind pucker factor?
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Maybe so, Moss Road, but the orangutans are very very nervous!
It is sometimes said that man descended from the apes but I can tell from reading some of the posts here that it isn't completely true in all cases. Clearly some didn't make it all the way down.
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It is sometimes said that man descended from the apes but I can tell from reading some of the posts here that it isn't completely true in all cases. Clearly some didn't make it all the way down.
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rback33 said:
I saw Chris Angel levitate, get run over by a steam roller, disappear in mid motorcycle jump, reach through glass, and numerous other things that I don't know how to do.
I've seen folks do breath hold dives to amazing depths in the ocean but hold no illusions as to my ability to repeat the deed and live.
There is lots of footage showing cars darting across railroad tracks in front of trains because they saw others do it and not get hit. Of course there are frequent deaths doing this too.
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If that sailboat behind Bubenberg is a Newport 16/17 I can understand his comfort level with his angle of heel with his PowerTrack . I would say more, but I am still treading water in the shallow end of the gene pool.
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. I would say more, but I am still treading water in the shallow end of the gene pool.Jay
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patrick_g said:
Chris Angel is an illusionist. While it looks impressive, it is not real. A deep diver, on the other hand, is someone that can control that urge to breathe or die. Now that is impressive.
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MossRoad said:
Being both a SCUBA kind of guy and a breath hold skin diver as well as a used to be amateur magician (of a minor sorts), I am fully aware of the differences and many details of each, but still seeing others do it doesn't mean I can do it or that it is safe for me to try it because I saw someone else do it.
The point is that perhaps orangutan see orangutan do is not the best way to avoid the usually posthumously awarded Darwin award.
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I find illusionists entertaining. You can figure out how they do it, and you know how they do it, but the fun part is you can't see them do it. Some are gifted athletes, for sure. And some probably surpress the pucker factor to get through their stunts.
Breath holders I hold in awe. I currently can go about two minutes with no activity or 50-60 meters horizontally, but I cannot go much deeper than 12-15 feet because I have problems with equalizing pressure in my sinuses and ears... very painful. Unfortunately, I no longer have anyone to practice or train with and I ain't gonna do anything in the water by myself... not worth the risk. So I am now limited to sitting on the couch and holding my breath during commercial breaks on T.V.
Some are gifted athletes, for sure. And some probably surpress the pucker factor to get through their stunts.Breath holders I hold in awe. I currently can go about two minutes with no activity or 50-60 meters horizontally, but I cannot go much deeper than 12-15 feet because I have problems with equalizing pressure in my sinuses and ears... very painful. Unfortunately, I no longer have anyone to practice or train with and I ain't gonna do anything in the water by myself... not worth the risk. So I am now limited to sitting on the couch and holding my breath during commercial breaks on T.V.
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MossRoad said:I find illusionists entertaining. You can figure out how they do it, and you know how they do it, but the fun part is you can't see them do it.
Breath holders I hold in awe. I ain't gonna do anything in the water by myself... not worth the risk.
I had a rather serious amateur magician (paid good $ to buy tricks) as a room mate one summer session in college. He'd practice a trick on me and then I'd take his cards or other stuff and show him the trick. He hated that I could figure them out so fast and easy. (Chris Angel does stuff that I have no clue about how he does it. Some I figure easily but some is beyond my powers of observation and deduction.)
Most fun I had in breath hold was at a desert hot spring spa (Fountain of Youth) northeast of Salton Sea in SOCAL. A ham radio buddy (B-17 tail gunner in WWII) my wife, and I were in one of several large outdoor Jacuzzi pools. I explained to my buddy that the hot water makes less demands on your oxygen as you had less need to burn energy to make body heat.
I ended up demonstrating by putting my head at the bottom of the pool and my feet where my head had been. Unknown to me a Mexican employee of the spa was working his way along from Jacuzzi to Jacuzzi taking the water temp with a thermometer on a pole (worked from outside the fence where the controls were) and making any corrections needed.
My wife later related to me his consternation, surprise, and alarm as he approached our pool and noted my feet sticking out and the two of them chatting away from either side of my body. For all he knew they may have been holding me under. When he caught my friend's eye and looked questioningly at my feet and inverted body, he and my wife just smiled and gave a friendly wave like for sure nothing was wrong. They say he looked unconvinced but went along on his rounds, probably muttering about crazy baracho gringos.
A down side of breath hold is so many folks don't know how and it can be dangerous. The pros often pass out shortly after surfacing. One of the things that happens to the unknowing is that if you hyperventilate (taking several deep breaths and expelling them to charge your blood with oxygen) you scavenge a lot of the carbon dioxide out of your blood. The urge to breathe is principally caused by CO2 buildup not O2 depletion. By the time your O2 depletion alarm goes off you are passing out or near to it. If you do not overdo the hyperventilation the CO2 buildup will try to get you to breathe.
Your body's built in warning system works fine if you don't mess with it too much such as with hyperventilation. Even kids just playing in the pool trying to swim long distances underwater have passed out and drowned because they hyperventilated too much. You suppress the alarm system that makes you want to breathe and by the time your O2 sensor sounds the alarm it may be way too late to make it to the surface, even from just a few feet down in a pool.
The hard part is knowing how much hyperventilation helps but doesn't set you up for passing out underwater. One of my personal rules was to never take game using SCUBA. I did all my spear fishing doing breath hold. I guess a combination of luck and skill protected me.
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patrick_g said:
You bet! Our bodies are preprogrammed to do what's best.
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I am so late to this thread that they only charged me 1/2 admission.
I think I do have to add a couple of thoughts.
Have you ever been in one of those huge theaters where they use the IMAX technology? You sit there in a seat and get the exact same feeling you get when the pucker factor kicks in. Your brain and everything else tells you that you are not going to fall off that cliff, but your posterior takes a suction grip on your seat and you hold on for all it's worth. ...at least I do. My pucker factor is tired out by the time I leave one of those theaters.
Another point... Do we have any pilots who have been in flight simulators? What is the feeling when motion is off, but you are flying with only the visual? I catch myself tensing my muscles and thinking about putting on the seatbelt when there is absolutely no motion of the simulator. Fly that simulator at a high bank angle with only the visual active and I start holding on tight. Some people even get motion sickness.
Vision is a powerful thing.
I think I do have to add a couple of thoughts.
Have you ever been in one of those huge theaters where they use the IMAX technology? You sit there in a seat and get the exact same feeling you get when the pucker factor kicks in. Your brain and everything else tells you that you are not going to fall off that cliff, but your posterior takes a suction grip on your seat and you hold on for all it's worth. ...at least I do. My pucker factor is tired out by the time I leave one of those theaters.
Another point... Do we have any pilots who have been in flight simulators? What is the feeling when motion is off, but you are flying with only the visual? I catch myself tensing my muscles and thinking about putting on the seatbelt when there is absolutely no motion of the simulator. Fly that simulator at a high bank angle with only the visual active and I start holding on tight. Some people even get motion sickness.
Vision is a powerful thing.
