John Deere 110 vs Kubota M59

[jenkinsph]

I saw earlier where you were saying you would go with a 14k trailer if doing it over but do you feel you can balance the 110 like you need to on the 20'? With the hoe and front bucket attached?

Balancing the 110 on the 12k 20ft is easy, there is enough room to move fore and aft. The reason I would go with a 14k trailer is to carry additional implements. My boxblade, forks and rock bucket add more than a ton.

 

[two_bit_score]

I pull my M59 with bucket and hoe on a 20' 14K PJ bumper pull and it's not hard to balance it. There seems to be plenty of play in the middle to get it to sit right. I think you could probably do it on an 18', however adding some attachments would be tough with an 18 I think.

-manatarms

Balancing the 110 on the 12k 20ft is easy, there is enough room to move fore and aft. The reason I would go with a 14k trailer is to carry additional implements. My boxblade, forks and rock bucket add more than a ton.

Thank you both!

 

[Martian]

I'm still trying to gather some cash but as I hear you guys talk some implements I should be looking at is a box blade and a grapple. I was wondering how much those were and how much more they would set me back? Also which should I look at? I was looking through the Deere website at box blades and saw the BB33. Thought it was kind of cool how the sacrificer is raised and lowered hydraulically but how much would I be paying for that little convenience. Also I've been searching and haven't found much on the different types of grapples and how much would they cost? This is all down the road a little ways but just looking for some ideas on pricing

 

[jenkinsph]

Here are a couple of pics of the Frontier BB1284 which I purchased with the 110 the hitch on the 4520 is the same as the 110 and will show what the topntilt looks like. This boxblade is 1250 lbs with hydraulic scarifiers and will hold over 30 cu ft of dirt. Forum members have found similar used boxblades for much less than the cost of a new one, I would try to find one used in good shape. This is made by Woods Gannon industrial for Frontier.

 

[Martian]

Here are a couple of pics of the Frontier BB1284 which I purchased with the 110 the hitch on the 4520 is the same as the 110 and will show what the topntilt looks like. This boxblade is 1250 lbs with hydraulic scarifiers and will hold over 30 cu ft of dirt. Forum members have found similar used boxblades for much less than the cost of a new one, I would try to find onw used in good shape. This is made by Woods Gannon industrial for Frontier.

Thanks, JD was just the first website I checked. From what I understand the BB3384 is the newer model of the BB1284. Is that right? Should I be looking at Frontier or what brand would you recommend? Just looking at some new/used prices on the internet those are really pricey! Obviously I'm not using mine like yours as my job and just doing a little work here and there for myself. I guess after realizing the price I'm ok with getting off my lazy @$$ and putting the sacrificer up and down. I guess I would be looking for something with enough weight for a good a ballast but not breaking the bank either. I really don't need a $5k box blade. Just something that has enough weight and don't really need the hydraulic for that much. I guess something similar to yours without the hydraulics for a lot less. Is that just wishful thinking? I'm really stretching even thinking about this 110 and to spend another $5k on a box blade isn't going to happen.

 

[Martian]

I've been looking at a bunch - mainly a King Kutter from Everything Attachments. I just saw this one:
King Kutter Professional Hinged Back Tractor Box Blade

It is the most heavy duty he sells but it is half the weight of your box blade so I was wondering how much do you think would be an appropriate ballast. I would assume I would have the BH on when I'm doing serious loader work but still need a safe ballast as you would know. Would 550lb be enough? What would you consider the minimum? Also looked at the Frontier BB3284 but that is still more than I really want to pay although it is much more industrial - I guess you get what you pay for though.

 

[AKfish]

I've been looking at a bunch - mainly a King Kutter from Everything Attachments. I just saw this one:
King Kutter Professional Hinged Back Tractor Box Blade

It is the most heavy duty he sells but it is half the weight of your box blade so I was wondering how much do you think would be an appropriate ballast. I would assume I would have the BH on when I'm doing serious loader work but still need a safe ballast as you would know. Would 550lb be enough? What would you consider the minimum? Also looked at the Frontier BB3284 but that is still more than I really want to pay although it is much more industrial - I guess you get what you pay for though.

The owner's manual for the 110 stipulates that a minimum of 1,250lbs is recommended for rear ballast when the backhoe is removed.

AKfish

 

[Martian]

The owner's manual for the 110 stipulates that a minimum of 1,250lbs is recommended for rear ballast when the backhoe is removed.

AKfish

Wow. Is there any that are a little heavier you know of? I'm not going to pay 5k for a box blade. I was thinking the hydraulic one would be at most $2k. And the frontier BB3284 is that much.

 

[jenkinsph]

I would keep a look out for a good used boxblade similar to the one shown. The newer model is likely quick hitch compatible, nice but not worth buying new for the money you mention. There was a post by someone on here awhile back who found a used boxblade similar to mine for around $1000 as I remember. If you can find one that needs wire brushing and painting but doesn't have any welding repairs, cracks or bends that is what I recommend. These were and are very commonly used for the 210 landscape loaders and can be found with a little searching.

 

[jenkinsph]

I should add that you won't need the boxblade right out of the gate so I would take my time finding one at a good price. Just make sure you get the full hydraulic functions on the 110.

 

[dsh82]

Since this has become the defacto 110 thread, i'll throw this out there. My dealer at plasterer equipment called me the other day. He has 6 units that will become available shortly. All low hour (300ish) utility leased, deere serviced units with all the bells and whistles. The only thing they dont have is the 3 rear remotes. They do have all the rest of the aux features, lights, horn, quick detach bucket. You also can finance right through deere if need be. I paid 32k for mine in march. If any one is looking, pm me and ill give you my salesmans number.

Dan

 

[Martian]

I would keep a look out for a good used boxblade similar to the one shown. The newer model is likely quick hitch compatible, nice but not worth buying new for the money you mention. There was a post by someone on here awhile back who found a used boxblade similar to mine for around $1000 as I remember. If you can find one that needs wire brushing and painting but doesn't have any welding repairs, cracks or bends that is what I recommend. These were and are very commonly used for the 210 landscape loaders and can be found with a little searching.

I should add that you won't need the boxblade right out of the gate so I would take my time finding one at a good price. Just make sure you get the full hydraulic functions on the 110.

I guess I shouldn't say I know they are $5k but the ones I saw online were a couple years and around $4k - so that was only a guesstamite. And I really won't be getting one till spring. Just looking at prices and options so if I find a good deal. So you would recommend getting the hydraulic one?

Since this has become the defacto 110 thread, i'll throw this out there. My dealer at plasterer equipment called me the other day. He has 6 units that will become available shortly. All low hour (300ish) utility leased, deere serviced units with all the bells and whistles. The only thing they dont have is the 3 rear remotes. They do have all the rest of the aux features, lights, horn, quick detach bucket. You also can finance right through deere if need be. I paid 32k for mine in march. If any one is looking, pm me and ill give you my salesmans number.

Dan

Thanks for the info. Little more than I'm looking to spend. Nice low hour machines for someone though!

 

[jenkinsph]

MTM,
I would stay on the hunt,a hydraulic model is nice but more important is heavy duty.

 

[Martian]

MTM,
I would stay on the hunt,a hydraulic model is nice but more important is heavy duty.

Yes. For as much money as I'm looking at for one of those now I'd rather have a nice used gator to tote dirt around. I have some thinking to do now.

 

[AKfish]

Yes. For as much money as I'm looking at for one of those now I'd rather have a nice used gator to tote dirt around. I have some thinking to do now.

MTM;

Besides cleaning up your 25 acres of woods; what projects/kinds of work do you see for the 110?

You can buy lot's of different kinds of "ballast" for $5K - besides - a boxblade, if you have other kinds of work in mind.

AKfish

 

[jenkinsph]

Here is a link to the Frontier hydraulic boxblades. The new number that is similar to the 1284 I posted pics of is now a 4284H, it is also IMatch compatible while my 1284 is not. The new 4284H is 50 lbs lighter than the 1284.
Checked online and the price for the new 4284 is $3597.00 and while that might seem high it is about a thousand less than at the peak in 2008 of $4600. I have seen very few implements go down in price but this one has.

Good descriptions in this liink, http://www.deere.com/en_US/docs/non_current/tldsfe37514_41_42series_bb_lit.pdf

 

[Martian]

MTM;

Besides cleaning up your 25 acres of woods; what projects/kinds of work do you see for the 110?

You can buy lot's of different kinds of "ballast" for $5K - besides - a boxblade, if you have other kinds of work in mind.

AKfish

I have a lot of attachments - besides a box blade. One of the reasons I want to get a 110 is because they will run more of the implements I have. I have a JD 5410 that spends its life at my farm. My grandfather actually lives there but the equipment is mine. Since theres only about a mile between my house and the farm I would just take the 5410 over to my house to do what I needed done. When I got my first 12.5 acres up there about 10 was vacant and the other already had a place on it and cleared area so I just needed something little to do a little work do I could keep the 5410 at the farm so I got the 3120. It did everything needed on it but I bought the lot one down from me and I'd like to buy the lot in between but the long term plan is to have the place on the new lot. Which has a lot of mature trees and is on the main part of a lake. I want the 110 for the extra power and the bh for the trees but also so it will run more of the attachments I have for the 5410. I have a tiller, post hole digger, finish mower, brush hog, plow, on top of all the hay equipment and that way I can take those implements to my cabin and run then with the 110 that the 3120 wouldn't be able to handle. So I don't have a whole lot more attachments I need.

But to answer your question, I'll be plowing snow, tilling, and a lot of landscape work - I don't have a lot of landscape attachments because I've never really had to before and when I did I'd just use my loader or back blade because it was light work - maybe you could suggest some more that I might need.

 

[Martian]

Here is a link to the Frontier hydraulic boxblades. The new number that is similar to the 1284 I posted pics of is now a 4284H, it is also IMatch compatible while my 1284 is not. The new 4284H is 50 lbs lighter than the 1284.
Checked online and the price for the new 4284 is $3597.00 and while that might seem high it is about a thousand less than at the peak in 2008 of $4600. I have seen very few implements go down in price but this one has.

Good descriptions in this liink, http://www.deere.com/en_US/docs/non_current/tldsfe37514_41_42series_bb_lit.pdf

That does sound a little more reasonable. I'd still look used. I guess I was just looking at the yellow ones as I thought they would be more built for the 110 but I guess that really doesn't matter. What would be the difference between that and the BB33 series?

 

[Martian]

I took a look at the BB42 series and the lowest I've seen one for is $1,900. Which is better - but it was in Oregon and shipping would double the nearly double the price. I was thinking what would you recommend as the best size for behind the 110? Would you say 7 foot is a good size? Also iMatch. What's your recommendation on that? I don't know if the back blade I have now is iMatch compatible but it's a BB2084? How much is iMatch and is it worth it? Does the 110 even fit it?

I'm really trying to gather the cash and convince the boss on this but its been harder than I'd expected:laughing:



EDIT: I should add and ask if the TnT system would not allow me to have the iMatch. How about with taking the BH on and off and having to put the 3PH arms on would it not matter as much as I'd then put the iMatch on?

 

[jenkinsph]

That does sound a little more reasonable. I'd still look used. I guess I was just looking at the yellow ones as I thought they would be more built for the 110 but I guess that really doesn't matter. What would be the difference between that and the BB33 series?

Posted the link and price so you could get an idea of the size and build of a new unit to compare with used. These are available in green or yellow, for what it is worth. If you know what a brand new one is selling for it should help with dickering on an older unit.

The differences between the BB33 series medium duty vs heavy duty build, hinged rear gate. I would still say to keep looking for a good used one maybe one that needs cleaning and painting but isn't tweaked. I should point out that the heavy duty models use 5" square tubing frames, the lighter model uses the 4" frame.