Loading issues on Dump Trailer

[nisaacs]

They didn't add the -50 designation until the 2000 model, before that it was all -00. F500, F600, F700 etc.

No...the "50" has been around since '53. read the link I posted. They didn't make a 550 or 650 back in the day, but 750, 850 and 950 were common.

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[Renze]

All of you guys being such a pain are going to get yourself as in all dump trailers banned from the quarry. The local quarry already increased the minimum charge to 5 tons because they’re so aggravating to deal with.

True... quarry loader operators dumping a full bucket over all four sides of a small trailer behind a small city car, locking the wheels in the spoils, is their way of saying "go to the landscape center, you have no business on a quarry"

 

[CADplans]

They didn't add the -50 designation until the 2000 model, before that it was all -00. F500, F600, F700 etc.

There may have been a random 750 at some point in the model line (the 50 was added to the F100 to designated additional load capacity and to skirt some emissions) but I can't remember ever seeing one.

I guess the owners of the trucks that are pictured all over the internet had the trim custom made??
Like this one,,

or, is that the hood of a 2010 Ford F-Series??
I personally put a LOT of miles on both the '53, and the '69 F-750,,

 

[Renze]

Wow. I think about 7 people in the last three pages have all said the truck is too small. Even though the OP has said about 7 times that it IS WITHIN THE WEIGHT RATINGS.

Sating a modern half ton is just a grocery getting is laughable. People need to grow up.

At a previous employer we had a customer who was fond of American pickup trucks. He bought the 1500 but first thing in the morning was ordering an air ride helper spring kit at us, because he felt it didnt handle right without stiffening up the rear springs, as half ton truck suspension is generally designed for smooth comfort, and not stiff enough to handle the legally 3.5 ton trailers we built for him, loaded at 5 ton loaded weight.

So yes, professionals whose opinion is that a half ton truck is unfit to pull 10k do have a point, knowing that they speak from the perspective of owner of a vehicle adjusted more towards towing and less towards commuting.
Yet the commuters who tow 10k in the weekend also have a point that their vehicle is rated for 10k so it is suitable...

Our customers found a Firestone air ride helper kit the ideal compromise between towing and driving to church, pumping the bags till they just started to lift the truck. It was smooth empty and firm loaded.

 

[LAFarm]

Forgot to add photo, this was one of the loads from today:

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have the same problem. showed loader operator where to place the load and asked he only load between 7 & 8,000 pounds as my trailer had a gvwr of only 14,000 lbs. he front loaded, so I asked him to add a little bit in the rear to lessen the tongue weight. when I crossed the scales, there was slightly over 18,000 pounds. my dump mechanism would not lift to dump the excess. had brand new 12 ply tires mounted and drove about 35 mph all the way home without incident. had to use the front end loader on the tractor (80 hp Massey Ferguson) to help lift the front to dump. on the next load, asked the loader operator to again only load about 7-8,000 lbs in the center. he did a little better and only loaded 14,000. the hydraulics still needed help from the tractor fel. I discussed it with the scale/ticket master and he said they weren't used to loading smaller trailers. I actually feel like its a passive/aggressive attitude of the individual operator in my case. he resents people trying to save a little money by hauling for themselves. dump truck operators here routinely charge twice the price of the materials or more per haul for a distance of less than 10 miles.

 

[nikerret]

have the same problem. showed loader operator where to place the load and asked he only load between 7 & 8,000 pounds as my trailer had a gvwr of only 14,000 lbs. he front loaded, so I asked him to add a little bit in the rear to lessen the tongue weight. when I crossed the scales, there was slightly over 18,000 pounds. my dump mechanism would not lift to dump the excess. had brand new 12 ply tires mounted and drove about 35 mph all the way home without incident. had to use the front end loader on the tractor (80 hp Massey Ferguson) to help lift the front to dump. on the next load, asked the loader operator to again only load about 7-8,000 lbs in the center. he did a little better and only loaded 14,000. the hydraulics still needed help from the tractor fel. I discussed it with the scale/ticket master and he said they weren't used to loading smaller trailers. I actually feel like its a passive/aggressive attitude of the individual operator in my case. he resents people trying to save a little money by hauling for themselves. dump truck operators here routinely charge twice the price of the materials or more per haul for a distance of less than 10 miles.

None of the loader operators I work with are jerks, yours may be. However, they all speak in tons, not pounds. You say 7,000 pounds, his brain functions in tons.

Try speaking his language.

Of course, if he’s being a jerk, on purpose….

 

[brettt]

Forgot to add photo, this was one of the loads from today:

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Having a 5 ton dump for years I can tell by the load your over loaded, way over loaded.

 

[LD1]

Having a 5 ton dump for years I can tell by the load your over loaded, way over loaded.

Says the guy that cannot even spell kubota

 

[sandman2234]

Says the guy that cannot even spell kubota

Now, now, he is a newbie and hasn't had time to check the spell check error in his account details...YET!
I am sure he will notice that soon!
David from jax

 

[bcp]

I've always thought a gravel-hauling trailer should be built small enough and strong enough to never be overloaded. But most dump trailers I see are used for lightweight stuff most of the time.

Bruce

 

[DGHudson]

I got a 6x12 10K dump trailer earlier this year. Due to tow limits of my 1/2-ton truck, I never purchase more than 3 tons of material. When loaded properly, the trailer tows great. But I'd say 80% of the time, the local yards load me with a forward bias, creating too much tongue weight. I picked up three loads today and they were all forward biased, some worse than others.

I installed a W.D.H. to help in these situations, and it does what it is supposed to but won't cure poor loading or too much tongue weight. While pulling onto the scale for my first load this morning, I carefully noted the measurements as each axle went onto the scale, before and after being loaded. While eating lunch I did some math. The trailer has only 300# tongue weight when empty, which matches what I measured with a bathroom scale a couple months ago. When loaded too far forward, tongue weight was 1140#, more than my truck is meant to handle and visually way too much even with a W.D.H. If loaded evenly, it should have been in the 700-800# range.

I'm trying to decide how to deal with this. At this point, my only solution is to carefully raise the trailer bed to shift some of the material rearward, but that is a pain to do and needs careful judgement (not all loads slide the same). I am wondering if I should fab up some sort of sealed chamber at the front of the trailer bed to block off volume so that material cannot physically occupy the front couple feet of the bed (it would have to be angled to force material to flow to the rear). Somehow I need to prevent operators from loading with a forward bias and the only solution I can think of is to eliminate that volume. Any other ideas?

You can’t fix stupid, but you can teach.
Have the loader operator load directly over the center of your wheels.
If he doesn’t load it to your satisfaction, tell him that you have to dump the load, so he can get it right.
You do that once, he won’t screw it up again.

 

[4570Man]

You can’t fix stupid, but you can teach.
Have the loader operator load directly over the center of your wheels.
If he doesn’t load it to your satisfaction, tell him that you have to dump the load, so he can get it right.
You do that once, he won’t screw it up again.

Or you get your trailer severely overloaded the next time. Or you get banned from the quarry. They already don’t like you guys. It wouldn’t take much to get banned entirely.

 

[DGHudson]

Only had a problem once, younger operator, dumped the load, the young fellow was new in his job, appreciated the feedback. Every time I get a load there, the guys are great, whether it’s crushed stone or just gravel.

Perhaps you need to communicate with your quarry guys.

 

[TMGT]

Or you get your trailer severely overloaded the next time. Or you get banned from the quarry. They already don’t like you guys. It wouldn’t take much to get banned entirely.

Not all are like that, I haven't been in a few years, but the quarry nearest me has an area with piles of the most common materials and a skid steer to load the smaller trucks/trailers.
That said, when I get 5tons they usually load it with a wheel loader from the main area but I've never had a problem getting a ton or 2 and seem happy for my business no matter how much I get.

 

[4570Man]

Not all are like that, I haven't been in a few years, but the quarry nearest me has an area with piles of the most common materials and a skid steer to load the smaller trucks/trailers.
That said, when I get 5tons they usually load it with a wheel loader from the main area but I've never had a problem getting a ton or 2 and seem happy for my business no matter how much I get.

That sounds more like a landscaping yard vs a gravel quarry.

 

[TMGT]

No...the "50" has been around since '53. read the link I posted. They didn't make a 550 or 650 back in the day, but 750, 850 and 950 were common.

For Sale: 1975 Ford F750 in Mankato, Minnesota

For Sale: 1978 Ford F750 in Cadillac, Michigan

1969 Ford F850 Fire Truck

1962 Ford F950 Fire Truck

Read the link, don't see anything referencing the -50 designation, were all the -50 the BIG JOB versions? Those were kinda a different class of truck that turned into the L series later on.
It's strange all of my service and parts references from when I use to work on them don't list any of the -50 designations until after '99

 

[TMGT]

That sounds more like a landscaping yard vs a gravel quarry.

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[TMGT]

Here's the smaller load area

And the full quarry

 

[DGHudson]

I've always thought a gravel-hauling trailer should be built small enough and strong enough to never be overloaded. But most dump trailers I see are used for lightweight stuff most of the time.

Bruce

Guess it depends on what you’re hauling. I use mine for firewood, earth, and compost mostly. You can pile up a good looking load, crushed stone, well not too impressive looking, but it sure is heavy!

 

[DGHudson]

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Stone quarry. Loading with a shovel if available, loader is big, but they make it happen reasonably.