Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects

   / Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects #31  
And 2 wheel drive versus 4WD does not make any difference either ? Do the brakes work normally ? No way brakes could be jammed on is there ?
 
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#32  
They release fine from the pedal, but wouldn't you hear something, and there is no smell or like I would expect it to get worse as it travells and the Brakes get hot there should be an expansion through heat or something and then there really should be smell or are they wet? I guess the only real way to disspell that one would be to get under and remove the bars back to the diff and test drive as everything else looks like its hard to get to?
 
   / Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects #33  
Your brakes are hydraulic of course and not the older type with rods going back to the rear axle. You might be able to experiment while moving downhill at low power and see if gentle brake application makes a difference. I think you parking brake is different on the 4608 than on my 2660. Does it seem to release normally ?

How far have you moved the tractor with it binding/dragging like that ? I'd be afraid to move it a whole lot.

I forgot to re-ask: Does the 2 wheel drive versus 4 WD make any difference ?
 
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   / Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects #34  
Fergie4608 - I've been following your posts and watching your youtube videos. I really feel for you and the situation with your tractor more than you can know! I've been having my own issues with a MF 1754. However, nothing like the pain you've been going thru! I think you have been more than patient with your issues. I've similar experiences contacting AGCO in the States trying to get my issues resolved. Can't seem to get to anybody that can help me. They want to send me back to the dealer where I purchased it. I've left the technical support staff messages. It has been several months, still haven't heard back. Hoping you get an acceptable solution to your problems!
 
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Ok no difference in 4 Wheel Drive or 2 Wheel Drive,
if in low range then it is proportionate to the gear so its load is being increased as the Gears get lower, do you get what I mean High Range 1st 4 wheel drive is a certain amount of resistance, 4th gear low range is really resistant to move and you would find I reckon 1st gear low range would stop it from moving at all on any slope and I am talking about still the shuttle being in neutral, I really am saying low range to high is actually showing the increase in the load/ binding cause the gear would make no difference but the reduction is showing through.
How far well you drive it, its never not engaged, its been 12 weeks like this with a gap not included of 7 weeks sitting at the dealer getting the diff rebuilt. it could even be more but that is how they delivered it back to me and remember the would not respond, I would love to think that you are right and it could be something as stupid as the brakes miss adjusted from the dealer, after the WHS inspection I will try to have a look under it and see if I can see anything that makes sense.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects #36  
By process of elimination the drag/reluctance to move is not front axle related (because it still happens in 2WD) and not something as simple as brakes (because if it were stuck brakes it would not vary with which gear you are in.) Apparently an internal problem in the transmission, clutch or shuttle shift mechanism. Clearly caused by the shop work since it was not that way when it went in and is that way now. Seems that is so obvious that the dealer, the AGCO people and everyone concerned has to admit that. It also seems to me that Mr. Hill should immediately understand why you don't want the people taking it apart again who screwed it up in the first place. If you are able to talk personally with him, I would ask him if he is not concerned about "digging a deeper hole" by allowing that shop to work on it again. That is risk for him and AGCO too.

I don't know what else to suggest. Sure wish you luck with it.
 
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Thank you so Much Onionfmr for Your Comments Please tell me more about the issues with your tractor and with Agco, You need to make a list of all the attempts of contact with Agco, I know at this stage it seems like a useless battle and then start a thread and post your experiences, Look I have been told that this is not the way to do it and there are ways to get something sorted but Interestingly its the only time they take notice. Do you realize how many of us have equipment and we are treated like Garbage but until we start to band together with Forums and expose the calias way the Manufacturers treat us, once we start to form a direction I can tell you the bad models will not sell and the ones that look after customers will start to move forward in that direction. Show them public opinion, The biggest thing that you need to understand is if you talk about your experiences and you keep track of it then they cannot touch you, its only if you take off away from that then you will run into trouble. In my Case there is unlimited facts to deal with and many of you need to hear it so that when you look at a new tractor or even a second hand one then it will start to put you in the drivers seat.
It takes time to start a ball rolling but for all our sakes we need to start taking control. And if we help each other spread our stories then we will change the outcomes for many. Keep me posted
 
   / Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects #38  
Fergie4608 - don't want to steal your thread as your issues are much more compelling and a lot more serious than mine! I have a couple of threads/posts on my issues. In a nutshell, tractor is a newer tractor, MF 1754 HST with a cab. Delivered late Sept. 2016.

1. After several hours of operation, when you step on the reverse pedal, tractor binds and will not go in reverse. Feels like you have the parking brake set and brakes are dragging. Tractor will move but not easily or very much. THIS IS EXTREMELY ANNOYING AND A SAFETY ISSUE!
2. Hydo pedals switch was defective. Sitting still in gear, tractor would intermittently just move forward or reverse on it's own. Feet on the floor, no where near the pedals. This was a safety issue and was addressed promptly by dealer replacing the switch. Very dangerous situation when backing into the barn or moving around objects. Take your feet off the pedals and looking around for clearance and off goes the tractor on it's own.
3. Tractor jumps out of gear and free rolls. The first time this happened, I was delivering firewood (loader bucket full ) for my neighbor going down a slight incline in 4WD. Tractor jumped out of gear and started free rolling in neutral, I was startled not expecting it and almost hit my neighbor's truck. Now, that I know it will do it, I'm a lot more careful when desending slight grades.
4. Kinked fuel line - several times engine just intermittently shutdown, but would restart. One day, coming from back field, engine sputtered and stopped. Engine wouldn't restart. 3/4 full tank. Eventually, 1/2 hour later, I was able to get tractor running and put in barn. Barely running, but it made it. Called dealer, they thought could be bad fuel, plugged fuel filters. So, I bought 2 new fuel filters, replaced old filters that looked good. Engine would not start or run. So, I climbed under tractor, took off rock shields and starting looking around in an attempt to trace fuel lines. Sure enough, main line was originally cut to long at factory and kinked. Repositioned fuel line, started tractor and everything ran fine!
5. 3 point arms lever in cab was frozen solid. Tractor is always stored inside, wasn't washed recently, temperatures were at least in the 50-60s. Went to put arms down to attach sickle bar mower. Lever wouldn't move. That day I had had enough! Just turned tractor off and went and did something else. It has only done that twice. Next day lever was free and arms worked fine.
6. Jumpy 3 point arms. This one is on me. When tractor was originally delivered, grease was pouring out of all visible zerk fittings. I never checked all fittings. Turns out fitting on 3 point cylinder was bone dry. I greased it and that solved that problem.

There have been lots of other smaller issues with things not adjusted correctly or cosmetic items. I've just repaired them and moved on. I've done a complete hydro oil and filter change twice now, 95 hours on tractor. Still having an intermittent problem with reverse. When the tractor was originally delivered the transmission was 1 1/2 gallons overfilled. The 2 local dealers are good people. But, I have limited confidence in their ability to fix my problems. I get a lot of your not running at enough RPMS, what 2400 RPMS isn't enough for reverse or they all do that.

After several attempts to get AGCO to do something, they finally gave me a phone number of a large servicing dealer that was a 3 hour drive from my house. I called them and then drove out to see them in person to review my issues. To get them to look at my tractor is $100/hour for their tech to drive to my property, time here to diagnose and drive back. Same for them to come and pick it up. If it is warranty issue they will handle repairs. But, I will be out for pickup and delivery back, approximately $1,200. Really! I'm thinking it is a pump problem which according to dealer will require splitting the tractor.

I've had some serious health issues lately (really changes your prespective on things) and have been concentrating on getting well and haven't felt up to really pushing hard to get tractor fixed. Since, it will take that to get it fixed. There are days that I am just happy to be able walk outside. The large servicing dealer thought that the hydro oil and filter changes might solve my reverse problem. I hoped as well.

Didn't mean to steal your thread and sorry to be so longwinded! But, wanted you to see that you are not alone! My tractor would be great if it would just run right!
 
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Ok I will post something later that will help with understanding many things, I am so very sorry My Friend to hear you are not well and it's absolutely unaceptable that you a sick Man have to fight to get something, Listen Guys speak up, he is not going on about cosmetics, he mentions something but he is wanting something that is totally unreasonable here, A safe and reliable working platform, So did the salesman tell you, you are going to love this it will try to kill you or destroy property of yours or others, it will be dangerous at all times of operation, I guess your like me and you said **** give me some of that Heart ache please Sir.
Rubbish they tell you its great, these are the features you will love ETC ETC. In my Case Mine was demonstrated with the lethal Launching but I trusted the dealer Salesman as the Dealer had been there for as long as I can remember, Oh that is just adjustment it will be fine and bugger me it was delivered to me and the next morning at opening I was in the showroom complaining of the lethal nature, Like you here is where the excuses started, oh its sticky servo's, the loader just bleeding up or down of its own accord is just sticky Valves they will wear in and get better, 21 months later what are the chances, the steering just dissappearing and not being there randomly well I will be honest he said he had no clue at all, but if it gets worse then we will fix it, still waiting on that one.
Ok SO where does this leave us, it leaves us as Brothers all stuck with shoddy gear and in many cases life threatening gear, I really take offence at them saying to you they are all like that, Say What, So what do we do, film the thing, and post and we all need to start to Share, we need to actually disslike and say we rated that video with a dislike for the faulty gear so we start a trend where we clearly state our dissaproval of bad workmanship, bad service, Dangerous equipment and more importantly, I notice how many times we say but the dealers are nice guys, think about how conditioned we are to be polite even though the business just put there hand in your pocket to steal from you!!!!!!!!
You are now spending money that you should not have to spend trying to repair something that should not have those defects in them in the first place but now you are a part of their system and then they insult you by saying they are all like that, well why did you not tell me before I bought it.
Agco Tell me that I am a bad Guy and no one wants to play with me any more for fear of being filmed or being held accountable of social media, I am a bad guy because my equipment sold by them has many multiple Life threatening defects in it that have cost me a great deal of money and nearly cost me my life many times, and I am stuck with the financial burden of trying to make it safe while its under warranty? those are the facts, and because of in my experience incompetent health and safety systems in their work place my life is put in danger daily so I am the Bad Guy? without you guys and possibly Girls I would have no support at all, they have not tried to solve one of these LETHAL defects, my Asset has been mechanically destroyed by the dealers inaction to repair these issues and I am the BAD GUY, if we start shining lights onto the equipment that is lethal first then we work back from there and other people can start telling us of good gear then we can steer our purchases to the dealers that only sell sound equipment and they get straight into fixing anything that shows up then they will prosper and the ones selling problems will die and die very quickly.

Never be worried about stealing the thread we can start a new one if need be as I am going to be here a long time because if Agco think I am going away then they are in for a fun time, I am only just getting started with shinning a light on the facts and unless I get a new tractor very soon then what follows as this grows will see changes happening world wide that will rock their socks off. We Paid for Safe equipment we need safe equipment, every Family member needs to come home every day and we need to lift our standards of what we will accept and tolerate, only by sharing information can we weed out the rogues and thieves that threaten out lives and the lives of our Families because many of us work in situations where the whole family use the equipment, but we stand there saying oh and be careful of this and becareful of that, oh and it does this and its does that !!!!!!!!! then I go you know what I best be the only one operating it because thousands upon thousands of hours operating means I have the best chance. Why do I still operate it, I don't have the money to un rip myself off and no one has offered yet a replacement and at no time have they fixed the machine, 2 things in total have been repair but 2 more have been created equally as lethal as the others. Lift you Game Agco world wide or pay the price, many many Giants have been destroyed in manufacturing over the years because of Attitude and calias disregard for the customers safety.
 
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Ok Guys to put all this in perspective, this video was before the Massey Ferguson can't lift the bucket of Grass.
But as I promised I am just compressing the video's after Work Place Health and Safety Qld inspected the Tractor and have taken my Statements and they were all over the Tractor.
The next video's to be posted will include the full story of Purchase and the Facts around attempts to get Lethal defects fixed.
Yours Truly

Garry
 

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