Nuclear fallout information

[Sigarms]

Perhaps I'm the only one, but who didn't think that the Ukraine would last more than a couple of months before they surrendered?

When you take a look at the amount of Russian casualties for what is being gained, it's mind boggling.

And the couple of guys that had an issue with the way Putin was handling things went down in a plane crash, go figure...

 

[DarkBlack]

Russia wants back some or all of a single Soviet Union country, on the other side of the world. BFD. I don’t like our government war mongers threatening us all with nuclear war over this. We have plenty of issues here we could be focusing on.

 

[JasperFrank]

No one wants to introduce the idea that we would just Take the first bomb, millions killed and then do nothing but a conventional war in retaliation. Its off the table, in thinking by SAC. Its a very strange ethical question. If a nuke hits the east coast from N. Korea, do we send 82 nukes back and kill everyone of that nation? Its one guy that decided this. Not all the people that lived there. We are giving this power again, in our own country, to a man that has made near messianic statements. Brinkmanship only goes so far.

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe being unpredictable or projecting an image of just being crazy enough keeps one from being messed with?

I guess the problem is when 2 or more of these personalities butt heads?

Putin clearly said before the world his massing of military was on boarder was not to invade... he also said he was there to save Ukraine when he did invade which he showed via military strikes and looting for safe keeping.

More than a few I know don't say they are not going to live in fear of something they have no control over and a few others also think the rapture is near...

I've pondered what a world would be like post Putin but my guess is no shortage of bad actors waiting in the wings.

Putin's claims fearing Russia would be invaded are laughable... at least up to the time he started this.

The real winner could very well be China in the long game...

Far superior manufacturing and always thinking the long game...

The old phrase enough rope to hang yourself comes to mind in the China/Russia relationship.

 

[fatjay]

If a nuke hits the east coast from N. Korea, do we send 82 nukes back and kill everyone of that nation? Its one guy that decided this. Not all the people that lived there.

It's a shame, but yes. But to not respond to a nuke would be catastrophic and would send a clear message to our enemies that we don't have the stones to respond.

 

[JasperFrank]

It's a shame, but yes. But to not respond to a nuke would be catastrophic and would send a clear message to our enemies that we don't have the stones to respond.

I'm thinking the other way. Do we have the stones to not escalate? Wrong as as that might be. Its like the ethical question of turning the run-away train one way or the other. We have one way to pull that switch on the table. And that switch is MAD. It kills the switcher, everyone on the train and both the results of either choice.

 

[fatjay]

I'm thinking the other way. Do we have the stones to not escalate? Wrong as as that might be. Its like the ethical question of turning the run-away train one way or the other. We have one way to pull that switch on the table. And that switch is MAD.

If we don't respond, europe will be known as west russia in 10 years. Bad guys only back down to one type of response, and that's strength. We're a bit weak right now and look at what they're doing.

 

[DarkBlack]

If we don't respond, europe will be known as west russia in 10 years. Bad guys only back down to one type of response, and that's strength. We're a bit weak right now and look at what they're doing.

We promised Russia we would never put NATO, aka… US military weapons, directly on Russia’s border… aka Ukraine. We broke our promise.
Putin’s invasion is because we installed zelensky and are threatening to make them NATO ..
Who’s the instigator? Who’s the bad guy?
There’s always a lot more to real world politics than what you’ll “learn” from your government propaganda.
We’ve totally caused this whole situation. It’s what we do.

 

[ultrarunner]

What explains Putin telling the world his massing of military on the boarder is not a threat to Ukraine and from his mouth Russia is not going into Ukraine?

As a side note... Putin has said Austria is a model country if neutrality... and had nothing to fear from Russia...

How does this work in a Nuclear War?

He obviously places no value on his own citizens so enough said.

 

[Eagle1]

He does decent job cliff noting the Ukraine war from back in day. Not perfect but he does hit the high notes and you can validate everything and get the full details.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859793845795622971