stump speech

[tungularafishcamp]

Jake, y would you need to lessen the pressure, once it is broke loose wouldn't it move along "fairly" ez?

Rick

 

[jake98]

Jake, y would you need to lessen the pressure, once it is broke loose wouldn't it move along "fairly" ez?

Rick

to go to single chain. I have to use 2 to almost make the strength of the cylinder. Or if I want to use some of my cheap chains to pull some small stuff. Or to get twice the length with the good ones..

 

[kattywumpus]

I have Farmi JL 601 which is a BIG winch and it is rated at 13,200 pounds, less than half of the pullng power of Jake's 28,000 # set up. You could use snatch blocks to get to that point, but the force on the tractor may begin moving it around.. and it is a BIG tractor.

Yep, I’m pretty sure depend on the tractor weight will not do it. The key is building something that will dig into the ground when pulled and has a large surface area. It’s like using a scraper blade position for reverse plowing. Placing enough down force and reverse motion will cause the blade to dig in and stop the tractor reverse motion when winching. In theory the winch would be connected to the scraper bladed. I’m not recommending this because I don’t know if a standard scraper blade could stand up to the force involved. Plus without some type of shielding if the chain broke or came off the stump very likely something would get broken on tractor at the very least.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

Couldnt you just use one chain anyway once it was broke loose Jake, unless it got hung up again on something I don't see how the chain is gonna break as the stump will move before you reach the breaking strength.
Rick

 

[jake98]

Couldnt you just use one chain anyway once it was broke loose Jake, unless it got hung up again on something I don't see how the chain is gonna break as the stump will move before you reach the breaking strength.
Rick

Yeah Rick, I'm probably overthinking it. The extra length/single chain would be handy for yanking the smaller stumps tho, pulling double chain around is a pain. I might start with single and be able to do most of them with that if I wasn't worrying about breaking a good one. Then switch to double if I need to. I need a way to regulate the pressure.

 

[beppington]

JJ, I'm wondering about a way to lessen the pressure, so that after I break the stump loose I can lower the pressure and switch to single chain to 'ratchet' it out of the hole. Any suggestion as to how to do that? Thanks again.

I'm confused: Once the stump's broken loose, can you not just un-hook the stump's chains from the cylinder & re-hook them to the tractor & drive away?

I don't know what the ratcheting is about?

Is the cylinder's travel not long enough to get the stump completely out of its hole?

 

[kattywumpus]

Ok, I guess I missed the fact the Farmi JL 601 is a log winch. I'm a little puzzle by Dead Horse statement, since I seen my neighbor use his to pull stumps out. His lets his dig deep into the ground which will stop the tractor from moving.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

That is something I can never accuse myself of Jake:laughing:

U need JJ or someone for that, it is amazing how complicated how fast hydraulics can get. In the summer I have the port engineer at a remote cannery for a few crab n a jug do all my hydraulic fabrication for me and it is a lifesaver. Good Luck
Rick

 

[J_J]

The feather action on your hyd valve should let you work as slow as you want. After the stump is pulled, the pressure will go down according to the weight of the stump. If you install the gage, you will see the working pressure at all times.

The thing about the pressure, is that you may need all of the pressure the pump can provide, and after you break the stump out of the ground, the pressure will fall quite a bit.

With nothing attached to the cyl, very little pressure will extend the ram, or pull it in.

After the stump is pulled, you can switch to single chain and do whatever.

 

[J_J]

Do you have a close up picture of the chain setup. Are you actually pulliing on two chains on each end. Both chains, both hooks should be attached to the cyl ends.

 

[jake98]

The feather action on your hyd valve should let you work as slow as you want. After the stump is pulled, the pressure will go down according to the weight of the stump. If you install the gage, you will see the working pressure at all times.

The thing about the pressure, is that you may need all of the pressure the pump can provide, and after you break the stump out of the ground, the pressure will fall quite a bit.

With nothing attached to the cyl, very little pressure will extend the ram, or pull it in.

After the stump is pulled, you can switch to single chain and do whatever.

I got ya. The rear remote levers have a short throw and detents, but I guess there is a bit of feather in there. I'll swap them around and use the one that works the grapple, that seems looser maybe just because it's been used. I'll keep an eye on the gauge.

 

[Dead Horse]

Ok, I guess I missed the fact the Farmi JL 601 is a log winch. I'm a little puzzle by Dead Horse statement, since I seen my neighbor use his to pull stumps out. His lets his dig deep into the ground which will stop the tractor from moving.

Like I said, the 601, which is a BIG winch, has a capacity of 13,200 pounds........ any stump that you can pull out with that level of force or less is easy pickings for the winch. Jake's setup is applying 28,000 pounds.

It does not matter if you wedge the big winch into a stump or use the dozer blade to do it....... 13,200 pounds of pulling force is all you are going to get.

Back to business............. Jake. go get some of these at the nearest logging supply place, in grade 120......... you will not break them. I have one in square edged links on the back of my winch.......... unbreakable for the kind of loads you are playing with.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

What if you had a couple snatch blocks Dead Horse, ran your winch line thru a snatch block on a anchor point(big azz tree) to the stump with a choker cable/chain connected to the other snatch block with the bitter end attached back to the big azz tree. You would triple your pulling power and most of the pull would be on the big azz tree and not the tractor plus your out of harms way if something breaks.
Rick

 

[Dead Horse]

Understood, and agreed... However, Jake does not have my winch nor my tractor............. we are talking about HIS stumps and how HE pulls them........

I just knock trees OVER, stumps and all, with my big tractor, cut the stumps off of them and move them to the stump dump. BUT WE AIN'T TALKING ABOUT MY STUMPS!

This thread is about admiring what Jake put together and how he made it work and some of us are just trying to see if we can armchair quarterback his effort and not look like total fools ourselves...........

 

[tungularafishcamp]

I was running it by you more for myself Dead Horse sorry if it came as telling you what to do.

I will be spending a couple months in Oregon this winter and have a bunch of stumps that need to go. That is y I was keeping a eye on Jake's progress as his looks like an inexpensive way to do it.

We only have a tiny tractor at the farm and any $ spent to do a project will come out of my pocket so was looking for a way to make use of what we had with minimal investment unless I can talk the uncle's into splitting the cost of a bigger tractor/winch for logging ourselves next time as well as getting these stumps and other projects done. Otherwise my choices were dig them up by hand with another cousin or I pay for the rental of a excavator. Family politics can be almost as much fun as the real thing.
Rick

 

[kattywumpus]

Like I said, the 601, which is a BIG winch, has a capacity of 13,200 pounds........ any stump that you can pull out with that level of force or less is easy pickings for the winch. Jake's setup is applying 28,000 pounds.

It does not matter if you wedge the big winch into a stump or use the dozer blade to do it....... 13,200 pounds of pulling force is all you are going to get.

Since your statement puzzled me so, I check with my neighbor who is tree farmer and landscaper. He also has a 601. He told me when using a log winch you need to set the 3-point hitch to float to allow the the winch bottom to dig in. He stated the only time he has had any issues with dragging the tractor is when the ground is frozen. During the winter he will brace it against a stump or some other ground irregularity to get it to dig it. Digging the winch bottom into the ground creates such a good anchor he has be careful not to break the cable when pulling really large log bundles or stumps. Unfortunate he has done this at least 4 times, which why he uses an extra long control rope now.

He also made a point to be very careful winching up hill. He said he almost flip his tractor over once, which I believe is 90 hp JD, when winching a bundle of logs up a hill. There was so much force on the winch it lifted all 4 wheels of the tractor off the ground. Lucky one of his helper hollered at him and he release the winch just as the rear wheels lifted!

Jake98, I still think some kind of 3-point hitch winch frame will simplify your stump removal task.

 

[Dead Horse]

I was running it by you more for myself Dead Horse sorry if it came as telling you what to do.

I will be spending a couple months in Oregon this winter and have a bunch of stumps that need to go. That is y I was keeping a eye on Jake's progress as his looks like an inexpensive way to do it.

We only have a tiny tractor at the farm and any $ spent to do a project will come out of my pocket so was looking for a way to make use of what we had with minimal investment unless I can talk the uncle's into splitting the cost of a bigger tractor/winch for logging ourselves next time as well as getting these stumps and other projects done. Otherwise my choices were dig them up by hand with another cousin or I pay for the rental of a excavator. Family politics can be almost as much fun as the real thing.
Rick

Gottcha!!!!!!!! If it were me, I would go with renting an excavator for the day. a good size one can get a lot of work done in a day!

Plus the way Jake is pulling stumps is cheap, but it ain't easy by any stretch of imagination. Lotta humping heavy stuff around, rigging and re rigging........ But looka the size of him!!!!!!!!! he kin prolly pull a stump by hand iffn he gets a mite agitated!

 

[Dead Horse]

Since your statement puzzled me so, I check with my neighbor who is tree farmer and landscaper. He also has a 601. He told me when using a log winch you need to set the 3-point hitch to float to allow the the winch bottom to dig in. He stated the only time he has had any issues with dragging the tractor is when the ground is frozen. During the winter he will brace it against a stump or some other ground irregularity to get it to dig it. Digging the winch bottom into the ground creates such a good anchor he has be careful not to break the cable when pulling really large log bundles or stumps. Unfortunate he has done this at least 4 times, which why he uses an extra long control rope now.

He also made a point to be very careful winching up hill. He said he almost flip his tractor over once, which I believe is 90 hp JD, when winching a bundle of logs up a hill. There was so much force on the winch it lifted all 4 wheels of the tractor off the ground. Lucky one of his helper hollered at him and he release the winch just as the rear wheels lifted!

Jake98, I still think some kind of 3-point hitch winch frame will simplify your stump removal task.

I understand all about digging the dozer blade in........:thumbsup: I also understand that by running the cable down to the stump, through a block and back to the winch, I can double the pulling power.......... got it.

I use block and tackle for several things around my farm and understand the principle... Sorry I was not clear on the matter.....I was focused on the stuff Jake is doing here and also did not think that small winch pictured earlier in the thread would be much use for pulling stumps, at all.......

My tractor's weight exceeds the clutch capacity of my JL 601, so before the tractor comes off the ground, the clutch slips....(with a single wire pull) and a guy who breaks a cable repeatedly on a 601, is not paying attention.........

 

[tungularafishcamp]

Gottcha!!!!!!!! If it were me, I would go with renting an excavator for the day. a good size one can get a lot of work done in a day!

Plus the way Jake is pulling stumps is cheap, but it ain't easy by any stretch of imagination. Lotta humping heavy stuff arouns rigging and re rigging........ But looka the size of him!!!!!!!!! he kin prolly pull a stump by hand iffn he gets a mite agitated!

:laughing::laughing: He is smarter than I was when I was a youngn, y do it by hand when you got hydraulics.

Unfortunatly the only excavator for rent within 100 miles is only a 6000 lb machine and I have a bit over 100 stumps smallish ones going 20 inches and the bigger ones 30+ so not sure a day would do it. Have never used one so there will be a learning curve and I don't know if it is big enough to just pluck them out or if I will have to work at each one for awhile.
Rick

 

[Dead Horse]

:laughing::laughing: He is smarter than I was when I was a youngn, y do it by hand when you got hydraulics.

Unfortunatly the only excavator for rent within 100 miles is only a 6000 lb machine and I have a bit over 100 stumps smallish ones going 20 inches and the bigger ones 30+ so not sure a day would do it. Have never used one so there will be a learning curve and I don't know if it is big enough to just pluck them out or if I will have to work at each one for awhile.
Rick

A 6000# machine is not a big one at all, but they CAN dig quite well (if you know what you are doing with them). A 30 inch stump is a big mutha, but digging around it can go a long way to losening it. The deeper you dig, the less the stump has to hold on to.

Them little tracked excavators can be pretty strong pullers too, if you set the pull up right. Get some real strong chain, like 20 feet of it, with heavy hooks on both ends. Once you have dug around the stump some, go at it with the bucket and boom to see if you get it somewhat lose. Then wrap the chain around it securely with the other end attached to the frame of the machine, DOWN LOW. Take the slack out and use the bucket and boom to brace the machine, (place bucket on ground on back side of stump). Then move the machine away from the stump, SLOWLY........ done right you will pull the big ones out in no time.

The smaller ones you should be able to dig out. BUT A HUNNERT OF 'EM???????? Best bring yer lunch! you need a D9 with a scarafier blade! or dynamite........ we usta use that for the job..... neighbors get figity about it though..


Jake When ya gonna pull a big one out???