Comparison The Bitterness of Poor Quality Remains Long After the Sweetness of Low Price is Forgotten

[Jstpssng]

There's not enough of them... In my case the largest one is over an hour away, is supposed to be a 5 star dealer but basically rips people off. It's NOT just me either.

Hence your previous comment...
My next tractor could very well be a Kioti. The specs of the geared 2610 are very similar to that of my old L275, which was a great machine. More importantly, the new dealer down toward the coast has always been A-1. If they run their tractor business the way they do all of their others it will be a good place to do business. I have to drive 80-90 miles in any direction just to find a tractor dealer of any species.

 

[5030]

I bought (2) Kubota farm tractors pretty cheap in the last 10 years, but by 3000 hours of FARMING work and bush hogging, they have become increasingly troublesome. Repairs are beginnig to pile up.
Kubotas wheelhouse is still small tractors. Their larger tractors are ok, but don’t compare to proper, larger legacy names like AGCO/MF, Case-IH, Deere, etc. for farm use longevity.

Without getting in a peeing match with you I don't consider running hay to be farming nor do I consider running a shredder farming. Farming to me is tillage, discing and cultivating with ground engaging implements. Running hay is just big time mowing and shredding is mowing with coarse cut blades. So you have big mowers and balers but it all distills down to no ground engagement. You don't farm, you harvest a grass crop by mowing, raking and bailing it. Same as I do but your scale is much larger. I have zero issues with my tractors for what I do, they are just fine.

 

[IndyJay]

Without getting in a peeing match with you I don't consider running hay to be farming nor do I consider running a shredder farming. Farming to me is tillage, discing and cultivating with ground engaging implements. Running hay is just big time mowing and shredding is mowing with coarse cut blades. So you have big mowers and balers but it all distills down to no ground engagement. You don't farm, you harvest a grass crop by mowing, raking and bailing it. Same as I do but your scale is much larger. I have zero issues with my tractors for what I do, they are just fine.

Thank God he wasn't working those machines hard with real farming work. They wouldn't have lasted as long as they have if they couldn't even hold up to the easy life of mowing and raking grass.

 

[5030]

Mine hold up just fine. Must be the owner. Mine aren't new either, far from it, 2002 and 2004. Other than the chronic faded Kubota Orange paint, both are all good.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Mine hold up just fine. Must be the owner. Mine aren't new either, far from it, 2002 and 2004. Other than the chronic faded Kubota Orange paint, both are all good.

To be fair, Kubota's from this era are absolute tanks, just damn near indestructible.

 

[5030]

To be fair, Kubota's from this era are absolute tanks, just damn near indestructible.

Both are solid units other than the paint jobs and they stay inside too and they still faded. Had the open station tuned up this spring and I was there when the tech pulled the valve cover, just as clean underneath as new. Steady diet of T6 and Archoil Friction modifier. Just changed both sumps and filters today.

I really like the Archoil additive. it's not cheap but they stay squeaky clean inside.

Got my Blackstone sample bottles filled to. Tomorrow, off to Blackstone for an oil analysis.

Not expecting any issues but I prefer to err on the safe side anyway. I've never had much blowby on either. Takes a year for the oil to really color up. Anymore, they are more of an investment than working tractors. Only increasing in value too.

 

[tacticalturnip]

My stepfather has an 02-03 L3830, glide shift, and he treats it like the red-headed stepchild of a rented mule; I don't know how many years it's been outside, when or if the oil was last changed, or much of anything else. It still runs like new.

I know they're a whole different class, but those L30 machines were some of the finest Kubota has produced.

 

[ultrarunner]

Lots of farms... Dairy, Tree, etc...

 

[eagle628]

Without getting in a peeing match with you I don't consider running hay to be farming nor do I consider running a shredder farming. Farming to me is tillage, discing and cultivating with ground engaging implements. Running hay is just big time mowing and shredding is mowing with coarse cut blades. So you have big mowers and balers but it all distills down to no ground engagement. You don't farm, you harvest a grass crop by mowing, raking and bailing it. Same as I do but your scale is much larger. I have zero issues with my tractors for what I do, they are just fine.

I know what you mean, when we plow soil we're not actually farming, just big time weeding. See, I can say ridiculous things too.

 

[sixdogs]

21 years ago I went to a JD dealer and asked about a new machine on their lot that I was interested in purchasing. He basically said "There it is" and walked away. So did I.

Does not say a thing about the quality of the machine. But man, that left a lasting bad impression.

When I moved here I had to have an old, but cherry farm truck "inspected" by a dealer. Not for safety but rather comparing VIN numbers and registration accuracy. No big deal but I had to wait a few minutes.

The conversation with the owner's son shifted to the new Thunderbird coming out since it intrigued me and I was thinking of that or a Corvette. I asked if they had presale and what kind of money they were going to ask for it. He replied it really didn't matter because I couldn't afford it anyway.

I nearly fainted at that stupidity. I said, yeah, you're right and left. Good thing I never bought one because they turned out to be overpriced and underpowered. Oh well, fate has a way of helping out.

 

[Hay Dude]

Without getting in a peeing match with you I don't consider running hay to be farming nor do I consider running a shredder farming. Farming to me is tillage, discing and cultivating with ground engaging implements. Running hay is just big time mowing and shredding is mowing with coarse cut blades. So you have big mowers and balers but it all distills down to no ground engagement. You don't farm, you harvest a grass crop by mowing, raking and bailing it. Same as I do but your scale is much larger. I have zero issues with my tractors for what I do, they are just fine.

Running a couple little kubotas around with a little round baler to make a few dozen bales as a retirement hobby isnt a legitimate way to qualify any brand of tractor for being up to the task or not.
The kubotas I run have been problematic after 3000 hours of using them to make 2000 round bales a year, raking, carrying/loading bales, and bush hogging has been about all they can handle. They are maintained very well and not pushed very hard. I may not wax or detail the interiors, but fluids and filters are done on strict schedules and nothing but the best ones used.
Pretty much outgrown them anyway. One’s gone, the other may not be far behind.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

And what issue is that?

Specifically with Kioti/Daedong they have a forced arbitration clause in their warranty which strips consumers of their right to bring litigation against the company if there is a breech of warranty. Another problem/issue is the company refuses to return calls or emails.

 

[paulfun9]

Specifically with Kioti/Daedong they have a forced arbitration clause in their warranty which strips consumers of their right to bring litigation against the company if there is a breech of warranty. Another problem/issue is the company refuses to return calls or emails.

I don’t know what the specifics were with the warrantee on our Kioti but after the fiasco my brother went threw with John Deere trying to get his fixed. His warrantee ran out while it was still broke but he had requested the repairs long before and they didn’t fix the issue, tried but failed to fix it, he had issues getting return calls, they didn’t want to pay for the repairs and in the end his cost was almost as much as fixing it himself!
We purchased a Kioti and have had no issues, no repairs, just simply a work horse and at least with an arbitration you have a mediation of some sort that doesn’t cost you attorney fees that could and in many cases cost as much as the repair itself.

Janet

 

[K5lwq]

Specifically with Kioti/Daedong they have a forced arbitration clause in their warranty which strips consumers of their right to bring litigation against the company if there is a breech of warranty. Another problem/issue is the company refuses to return calls or emails.

I read their warranty and did not see anything that stated you can not bring litigation. Also there is not anything that could be put in a warranty or any other document that trumps local law.

No manufacturer will communicate with the end user about warranty claims. It clearly states to take the item to an authorized service center.

I am not sure where this stuff comes from but it is bad information.

 

[TimberFarm]

Specifically with Kioti/Daedong they have a forced arbitration clause in their warranty which strips consumers of their right to bring litigation against the company if there is a breech of warranty. Another problem/issue is the company refuses to return calls or emails.

That's pretty much the norm with anything now.

 

[ultrarunner]

I read their warranty and did not see anything that stated you can not bring litigation. Also there is not anything that could be put in a warranty or any other document that trumps local law.

No manufacturer will communicate with the end user about warranty claims. It clearly states to take the item to an authorized service center.

I am not sure where this stuff comes from but it is bad information.

File a Lemon Law complaint on a consumer product always gets the manufacturer front and center in California…

Consumer protection laws often do not apply to business use and tractors often fall into a grey area.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Specifically with Kioti/Daedong they have a forced arbitration clause in their warranty which strips consumers of their right to bring litigation against the company if there is a breech of warranty. Another problem/issue is the company refuses to return calls or emails.

Go aheah, try calling Deere..... see how far you get.
All brands have a warranty hierarchy structure. Start at dealer, bump up to district rep, bump up to regional rep, bump up to corporate low level rep. If it goes any further, usually a lawyer is involved at that point.

Go get a warranty statement from just about anything worth more than $500.... they all have a statement about going to arbitration. It is the way corporations cover their butts instead of going to a court over a lawsuit.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I'll say this much, Kioti is the only Korean tractor manufacturer to have their warranty clearly visible on their website, and that said a lot to me.

 

[Deere Dude]

Yes it does. They can have an excellent product, but the dealer is their interface to the customer.

I am a Deere guy and if I shop a Deere dealer and he gives me bad vibes I simply go to one of the other dozen Deere dealers within easy driving distance. Generally the dealers are willing and helpful.

 

[ultrarunner]

Geography makes a difference no doubt.

Dealers are few and far with many counties having no Dealers in a region with millions of people and California is an AG producing state.

I’m amazed when in South Sound Area of WA state at the number and variety of dealers and many branch out to generators and power equipment with great service in my limited experience…