Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or?

[TheGoose]

Just curious do any of these newer models have diesel particulate filters and require diesel exhaust fluid (DEF)?

 

[Verticaltrx]

If you go the M59 route be sure you have plenty of truck to tow that setup. A tractor that size in a dump trailer is going to be a short, heavy and possibly unbalanced load. I'd want a minimum of a 1-to dually to tow that or preferably a class 4-6 medium duty truck.

 

[fbulldog]

That is simple tell her that with this larger tractor you will be able to do more work and it will save money over the long run and you will be able to get jobs done faster so you can spend more time with her.

Took your advice...it backfired. She said she'd rather me get the small tractor so i'll be away twice as long. Seriously she said that then smiled and asked me if the salesman told me to say that. I told her you did

She never said "just go get it", but she did say she was going to hire me out for tractor work

I hope you can work this out because I feel strongly that this is the right machine for your use. I have worked to build up my equipment over time, add an implement here and there. I think a fully loaded M59 can do almost all of the work you will have to do which means you won't be needing to trade up later. As a tractor a 60 hp compact can get a lot of work done on a six acre property. More importantly I would think you will be in a better position to do most of the jobs without the other rental expenses and other contractors.

If you do use your dump trailer to move the tractor I would have a support added to the front of the trailer to protect it and also secure the fel arms while transporting. A cradle for the fel arms is what I meant to say.

H*ll my monthly payment is going to be so big im going to have to build my own implements for...72 months. Think the cradle idea is good.

Just curious do any of these newer models have diesel particulate filters and require diesel exhaust fluid (DEF)?

Some 2014 models are tier 4. Some are interim tier 4. Some are still tier 3.

I haven't seen any tier 4 tractors in 3 or 4k series or any series actually, that require adding fluid. Some have "afterburners" that reach 1000 degrees and clean themselves. Supposedly the filter has to be changed??? around 5-10,000 hours.

I think the 2014 m59 has diesel particulate filter. Not sure though. I asked local salesman today and he wasn't sure either. Another salesman said no fluid has to be added to the m59 that has the filter.

There are still a lot of 2014 tier 3 or interim tier 4s in ag tractors. Supposedly commercial has been tier 4 for a couple years, and unfortunately I think the m59 is considered commercial which would mean a slightly used, less expensive, 2012 or 2013 will still be tier 4. Thats what one of the salesmen told me today. Then, I found a 2013 m59 600 miles away that was $4k higher than the local 2014 and identical except wasn't tier 4. Asked why it was higher and he said because it's not tier 4.

So basically was told today any m59 2014 model is tier 4 and any used m59 back to 2012 is tier 4. Then was told by someone else that their m59 2013 model wasn't tier 4 :banghead:

If you go the M59 route be sure you have plenty of truck to tow that setup. A tractor that size in a dump trailer is going to be a short, heavy and possibly unbalanced load. I'd want a minimum of a 1-to dually to tow that or preferably a class 4-6 medium duty truck.

Have a 1 ton swr but ill only transport in the dump trailer for short time, hopefully, until i get a 24' flatbed, hopefully. The dump trailer has dual breaks, at least....I think

 

[94BULLITT]

Took your advice...it backfired. She said she'd rather me get the small tractor so i'll be away twice as long. Seriously she said that then smiled and asked me if the salesman told me to say that. I told her you did

She never said "just go get it", but she did say she was going to hire me out for tractor work

Well it was worth a shot At least she did not so no to the M59:thumbsup:

 

[TheGoose]

Listen, if the tractor has a DPF (diesel particulate filter) then you're better off finding a tractor that also has DEF (diesel exhaust fluid). The DEF helps to regen the DPF when it's time. Without DEF you need to get the exhaust really hot to burn out the soot. With DEF it will regen at much lower temps. A lot of the problems caused with DPF is due to the fact that sometimes the machine will be right in the middle of a regen and then the usage period is over and the machine is shut down, leaving the DPF only 1/2 regenerated. This happens over and over and was a bad problem for people who had diesel trucks that made a lot of quick trips. With DEF the tractor can regenerate the filter quicker and much easier.

Does anybody here have any experience with DEF/DPF on tractors? My '09 has neither.

 

[fbulldog]

Well it was worth a shot At least she did not so no to the M59:thumbsup:

We both had a good laugh, but i think her opinion of tractorbynet is worsening. I keep justifying spending twice as much on "these guys know what they are talking about. You should thank them for not letting us buy the wrong one"

Listen, if the tractor has a DPF (diesel particulate filter) then you're better off finding a tractor that also has DEF (diesel exhaust fluid). The DEF helps to regen the DPF when it's time. Without DEF you need to get the exhaust really hot to burn out the soot. With DEF it will regen at much lower temps. A lot of the problems caused with DPF is due to the fact that sometimes the machine will be right in the middle of a regen and then the usage period is over and the machine is shut down, leaving the DPF only 1/2 regenerated. This happens over and over and was a bad problem for people who had diesel trucks that made a lot of quick trips. With DEF the tractor can regenerate the filter quicker and much easier.

Does anybody here have any experience with DEF/DPF on tractors? My '09 has neither.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of m59 tier 4. Was told by another tractorbynet member who owns an m59, the m59 started with an "interim tier 4" engine and to his knowledge nothing has changed, as far as that goes, since it first shipped. He was told that the m59 engine was always very clean burning. Out of the three salesmen I have talked to so far, I don't think any of them know. One of the salesmen admitted so right off the bat and said he would find out for me. I like that. I'm going to continue to work with him...

 

[TSO]

Have a 1 ton swr but ill only transport in the dump trailer for short time, hopefully, until i get a 24' flatbed, hopefully. The dump trailer has dual breaks, at least....I think

Unless you're towing gooseneck, your tow rating is probably closer to 10k (conventional) at the rear hitch. Check your manual to be sure...

 

[fbulldog]

Unless you're towing gooseneck, your tow rating is probably closer to 10k (conventional) at the rear hitch. Check your manual to be sure...

Both spec out around 13k conventional. My 2003 dodge 2500 w/cummins can pull 500 or so more than the f350 with powerstroke. love that cummins. Bought the 03 dodge new in 04 to haul cargo trailer and equipment when i mowed yards for a living. Was probably pulling 3k lbs. Didn't want to spend as much as i did on a truck so bought last years model with manual so could afford the 5.9 Didn't know how i would need the extra power in the future but like to be prepared

 

[terryknight]

always good to be prepared

 

[fbulldog]

just wanted to confirm this is an m59 quick attach bucket