welding

[montejw]

Monte,never seen a welder that had written on it,downhill,,,but that don't mean everything,,,can't see how having it wrote on anything would help,,different people run different amps,and it would change depending on what sized rod or wire you was using,,, Downhill is just a direction used on vertical position,,instead of starting at bottom and welding up,,in downhill you start at top and weld down. Yeah,generally a higher heat is used,,you generally carry less metal and travel faster as well,,real good for thin stuff,,,but if you have the technique down you can weld thicker stuff with it as well,and make just as good a weld. Two different worlds when it comes to pipe welding though,,,up,,powerplants,,down,pipelines.
Now its different than under water welding,,thats where somebody holds a cup of water over your head while you weld,,,,man I'm funny,,,thingy

thingy, I'm not saying I know it all, or very much, I've just been looking at welders for bit, want to buy one, trying to figure out which so I do a lot of reading. Here's a bit from Lincoln about their Ranger 250:

"The Ranger® 250 is ready for a workout – all day, everyday! Intended for contractors, construction and maintenance applications, this tough Lincoln gasoline-driven welder/generator delivers 250 amps for welding at 100% duty cycle. The Ranger 250 is recommended for stick welding, including a separate, dedicated downhill pipe mode, as well as Touch-Start™ DC TIG, flux-cored and MIG wire welding and arc gouging. Lincoln Chopper Technology provides easy starts, an extremely smooth arc, low spatter and outstanding bead appearance. The sleek, enclosed case lowers noise and protects critical engine components. Hot looks, hot features, hot performance – That’s the Ranger 250!"

I've seen others with the downhill mode too. Not sure what it means, and it might just not mean anything at all, it's just something I've read. Maybe it's just a Lincoln thing they make to sound good.

Monte

 

[thingy]

Nope never heard of that before,,they keep coming up with new things though,,,but I bet in this case it don't mean nothing,,,I've welded down with hobarts,lincolns and millers,dedicated downhill mode,,,beats me,,,can tell you this though,,,you don't need it. thingy

 

[Lynkage]

I will look tonight on my buddy's ranger 250 for it. I do not remember seeing that, but his is about 2 years old. One thing is for sure it is a nice welder!

It has a lot of ad-dons as well, but my friend is going to get a separate tig machine because he can plug it in to the Ranger or plug it into a 220v outlet instead of always firing up the Ranger. It is a 10,000 w generator. we both have Lincoln 135 wire feeders so we can take them to places and just plug them in. And I have a Century 200a wire feeder that we share for big wire feeder jobs. It can also plug into the Ranger.

I also let him use my Lincoln 175 tig pro which again runs just fine off of his Ranger!

 

[montejw]

Nope never heard of that before,,they keep coming up with new things though,,,but I bet in this case it don't mean nothing,,,I've welded down with hobarts,lincolns and millers,dedicated downhill mode,,,beats me,,,can tell you this though,,,you don't need it. thingy

No worries, you're not the first weldor that hadn't heard of it when I asked.

Monte

 

[montejw]

I will look tonight on my buddy's ranger 250 for it. I do not remember seeing that, but his is about 2 years old. One thing is for sure it is a nice welder!

It has a lot of ad-dons as well, but my friend is going to get a separate tig machine because he can plug it in to the Ranger or plug it into a 220v outlet instead of always firing up the Ranger. It is a 10,000 w generator. we both have Lincoln 135 wire feeders so we can take them to places and just plug them in. And I have a Century 200a wire feeder that we share for big wire feeder jobs. It can also plug into the Ranger.

I also let him use my Lincoln 175 tig pro which again runs just fine off of his Ranger!

Those Rangers sound nice. I'm looking for a welder, or welders, as I want to do/learn tig, run wire on some projects, and also run stick and carbon air arc gouging. I don't have the wiring for something that can run carbon gouging equipment, so I might look for an engine drive. Buying a used engine drive sounds like a crap shoot though.

Monte

 

[638]

Get a stick welder.

ron

 

[thingy]

They sell welder generators set up to do all that,one machine,,but it will cost many thousands of dollars,,,they sell welder generators that will do most of that for about 2,500 or so,,,than they sell welder generators that will just do a little of that for a little over 1,000,,just depends on what you need I guess.
The little welder generator miller 185 I got now is what I wanted,,,,its a welder generator,dc,,it'll run a 5/32 rod and 1/8 it will run all day,,you can tig weld with it,,just change leads around,get you a hose electrode connector block,,gotta scratch start it though,,you could carbon arc gouge with it too,,just have to use smallest carbon rod,[think its 5/32],,and would have to gouge a foot or so at time probably,,plus its small enough with wheel kit and ramps I can load it and unload it in back of truck by myself,[back it up to a bank],,but big enough for my needs,you could plug a smaller mig machine into it even. It costs about 2,300 or so.
But if you want one machine to mig-stick- set up for tig,,with many amps and very high duty cycle,they make them,,,just alota money,plus you gotta leave it either in truck or on trailer or setting in one spot,,cause it will be very big and heavy,,look on millers website,,and lincolns website,,,,thingy

 

[montejw]

I've got a 230 amp buzzbox, that's my stick, for now. I want to get an ac/dc stick with power for carbon arc gouging, for work on the tractor. But to get the amps I need it'll have to be engine driven, no shop, storage sheds only. I'm looking at engine drives, get one of those and I can plug a tig into it when I get one.

I need to do a bunch of mig on some thin wall tube structures, don't feel like cleaning slag on all those welds. I've got a 110v Lincoln wire feed which would work except for the duty cycle. I've already had it shut down on another project that wasn't as big as the upcoming one. Tack a lot together, then run a lot of bead is what I'd like to be able to do.

If I had a shop I'd have the wiring/power for something hardwired, but that's a ways off. I have to be a little portable for the time being. Run a "cord" from the dryer circuit is the best I can do, 30 amp.

Monte

 

[BTDT]

I need to do a bunch of mig on some thin wall tube structures, don't feel like cleaning slag on all those welds. I've got a 110v Lincoln wire feed which would work except for the duty cycle. I've already had it shut down on another project that wasn't as big as the upcoming one. Tack a lot together, then run a lot of bead is what I'd like to be able to do.

Can you install a bigger fan to keep it cooled down, or put another fan outside unit blowing on it to help keep it cool? Might get you by until you get something else.

 

[Sberry]

The ones that are listed as OH are overhead.

 

[Sberry]

The first one is 1/4 inch, no bevel, overhead with 6011.

 

[thingy]

you are a pretty good welder,,[just looked at two,,up 7018 and overhead 6011 believe it was],,,,can't do any better up than that with 7018,,,,the overhead,,,to much gap,,and or not enough land,,etc,,,,you got to experiment with these gaps and such,,,,I always used about 1/16 gap and 1/16 land,,thats in inches,,,,cause I was a down hill welder,,down hill you don't gap it very wide,,you butt that rod up against bevel and push it in,[rod tip is actually touching steel,,or there abouts],,,what I'm saying to you is,,,vary your gap,,,experiment,,,,vary your land,,experiment,,,once you put root in,,you are done on backside,,its got to be 100 percent,,,if you take plates down and grind off root stick through,[penatration],,than you shouldn't have to grind off much more than flush to get to plain shiny metal,,if you can't do that,,than you need to change your set up,,,whip and pause will leave you with voids in root sometimes,,not acceptable to code,,,,thingy

 

[gemini5362]

you are a pretty good welder,,[just looked at two,,up 7018 and overhead 6011 believe it was],,,,can't do any better up than that with 7018,,,,the overhead,,,to much gap,,and or not enough land,,etc,,,,you got to experiment with these gaps and such,,,,I always used about 1/16 gap and 1/16 land,,thats in inches,,,,cause I was a down hill welder,,down hill you don't gap it very wide,,you butt that rod up against bevel and push it in,[rod tip is actually touching steel,,or there abouts],,,what I'm saying to you is,,,vary your gap,,,experiment,,,,vary your land,,experiment,,,once you put root in,,you are done on backside,,its got to be 100 percent,,,if you take plates down and grind off root stick through,[penatration],,than you shouldn't have to grind off much more than flush to get to plain shiny metal,,if you can't do that,,than you need to change your set up,,,whip and pause will leave you with voids in root sometimes,,not acceptable to code,,,,thingy

HUH ?

I think you might be talking english but not sure ?

 

[thingy]

Land is a flat area on bevel edges,,more,,harder it is to get penatration,,,less easier it is,you can get no penatration or burn holes if you don't get it right,,,this is all in conjuntion with root gap,,,amps,,what size rod,,,,etc,,much more to it than it might appear,,but bet the man who made them welds,,knew what I was saying?,,,,,thingy

 

[montejw]

The ones that are listed as OH are overhead.

Nice. You were using gas on the wire welds, but not dual shield, right? What wire feed welder were you using?

Monte

 

[thingy]

Oh,,,after actually reading some,,,1/4 inch steel,,no bevel,,6011,,over head,,ok now,,,yeah like I said,,bevel,,land,,etc,,if you woulda kept on going,,you woulda had a big hole,,but you can weld better than most backyard kinda guys,,,,,,still didn't look at all pictures,,,still a little rough on stick,,,,,and mig looks good,,but on them corners,,you are supposed to weld around corners and stop outside corner area,,[cracks in corner areas],,,,but pretty good,,,[them close up pictures are rough too I know],, you doing good,,,,give you a b plus,,,thingy

 

[kenmac]

Teach, just go to your friend's house and try out both the mig & the stick & make your own mind up. I like my mig but, I love my stick welder( cut my teeth on the stick) & use every time I have to weld ( unless it's thin stuff)

 

[gemini5362]

Thingy I am sure of one thing, any welds that you see me post on here in pictures will not be welds that I have made they will be my friends welding. If the above poster only got a B+ on those welds I am afraid you would try to use other letters of the alphabet below F on mine

 

[AlanB]

Nice. You were using gas on the wire welds, but not dual shield, right? What wire feed welder were you using?

Monte

I should probably not speak for sberry, but he quoted arc welding rods on his picture names, so I would expect they were GMAW (Arc) welded.

6011 would conventianally be AC
7018 probably DC but could go either way.

 

[AlanB]

HUH ?

I think you might be talking english but not sure ?

If you copy it into word, add spaces paragraphs and indents, it all becomes clearer

Sorry thingy

You have so much to offer and share and teach us, but dang is it hard to read.